j.mo
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Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 11:50 am

I realize this is more for Commercial planes in general but I thought some people might be interested.
It happened within the last half hour. From what I heard it was a small 4 place Beech. His engine quit on takeoff and he tried to make "the impossible turn" back to the airport. I tried to make it out there to see anything, but it is now too dark. There are still rescue crews on scene. The news is also there. I will follow up if I find anything out.

Jeremy
 
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RE: Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 12:49 pm

It may not seem like the best decision, but if your engine quits and you are "doubtful" about turning around to make the airport again...you should just land straight ahead. If there are trees, aim the nose between them and let the wings take the force of the trees. If you're under 500 feet when your engine quits...forget the airport.
 
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RE: Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:07 pm

Its a good idea to practice this one at a safe altitude; mostly, what you can learn is how much altitude it really takes to make a dead-stick 180. I don't think 500 feet will cut it. More like 1,000 feet plus for even a 172. All you have to do is find a safe practice area and take along another set of eyeballs to watch for traffic, do some clearing turns, set up departure configuration, power and speed and cut the power back to idle. The procedure now is to do a safe 180 around to a reciprocal heading and note the altitude loss. The loss is much greater than a straight-ahead descent because you are spending so much time banked. No widow-maker 60 degree banks, please.
 
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RE: Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:18 pm

In a situation like that, where you are taking off, and going straight out, there's no way you will make it back to the airport, assuming you'd have to turn 180 degrees back. Look for a field to put her down, and hope for the best. I'm sure this pilot learned in training never to turn back to the airport, but unfortunately, he/she didn't understand why. It's sad something like this had to happen.
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RE: Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 3:36 pm

UAL1837 said "you should land straight ahead". There isn't any reason not to turn at least 45 degrees either direction if that better suits your emergency landing needs. Agreed, though, that pulling a 180 would be unlikely.
 
BWIrwy4
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RE: Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 3:39 pm

The Beech Musketeer had two people on board, a student pilot and the instructor. They landed in the grass, probably on the airport premesis, and they both survived uninjured. The plane suffered no damage.
 
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RE: Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 4:21 pm

Good news about the outcome of this incident. Engine failure on inital climbout is the first type of emergency op I was taught.......I put the airplane down straight ahead unless I am above 1000 ft AGL. The only exception for me might be if there's a huge mountain straight ahead, if the departure runway is exceptionally long, etc.
 
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RE: Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 4:54 pm

Just to add to the earlier comments. With a turn back to the runway, it is actually more than 180. You must continue past 180 to head back towards the runway, then turn back again to line up with the runway. Makes it closer to 270 degrees worth of turning...doesn't help at all in that situation.
 
j.mo
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RE: Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 10:30 pm

It did end up well. Thanks BWIrwy4. I did not hear any more and my shift was ending.

I was also taught never to try and make it back. Departing north at SLC there is really nothing out there to make turning back a priority, but I was not in the cockpit. I am just glad everything turned out alright.

Jeremy
 
ThirtyEcho
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RE: Small Plane Crash At SLC.

Sun Apr 14, 2002 11:27 pm

I see a lot of comments on here about "never" turning back. What if you had 1,000' of altitude? How about 1,500' or 1,700'? What type of airplane is it? As I urged in my prevous post, you must experiment and find out what the minimum safe altitude for a dead-stick 180 is and, no, turning back to the exact departure runway is not necessary. There are lots of safe places to land a 172 on an airport besides the runway you just left. The potential for this to happen is an argument against the too-frequent intersection takeoffs that we all do. The safest place to dead-stick a 172 is on the remaining 5,000' of the 7,000' runway that lies straight ahead.

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