hamad
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EK Question

Sun Apr 14, 2002 3:43 pm

does EK still have the A300's?
how about the A310's?
and why dont they have an narrow bodies?
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ba777-236
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RE: EK Question

Sun Apr 14, 2002 4:01 pm

Emirates still has 1 A300-600 and 2 A310-300's. Which I believe are going to be retired soon.

A300B4-600
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A310-300
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flyinghighboy
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RE: EK Question

Sun Apr 14, 2002 7:15 pm

I think the reason they don't use narrowbodies is that their flights around the middle east are generally full. It's not suprising to see the 777 and A330 do short haul flights and are full.
 
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RE: EK Question

Sun Apr 14, 2002 8:11 pm

Actually the loads to MCT, BAH and DOH aren't as high as you think. Although JED has very high loads. EK could use widebodies on short haul hops but the frequencies are like 2 or 3 flights daily. If they use the A320 for example they could raise frequencies to 5 or 6 flights a day offering more connection opportunities and higher flexibility when choosing flights. The reason they don't use widebodies is that they already have aircraft free to fly short hauls, and so they could bettter utilise them when they are "resting" in between long haul flights by using them on short haul flights.

I am sure Emirates777 could explain better than me as my area of speciality is Qatar Airways and not Emirates.
 
AF002
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RE: EK Question

Sun Apr 14, 2002 9:19 pm

Indeed, the 2 A310 are on order for Air Transat (TS):
http://ac.1e.ca/?reg=A6-EKK
and
http://ac.1e.ca/?reg=A6-EKL
They will be living EK before the end of 2002.
 
emirates777
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RE: EK Question

Sun Apr 14, 2002 9:26 pm

The current status on the A300/A310 is as follows:

-A6-EKM A300B4-605R
Still in service, due to be retired at the end of April. The acft currently plies the LCA/ATH runs 4x weekly as well as the 2x weekly PEW (Peshawar) flights.

-A6-EKK A310-308
Retired at the end of March

-A6-EKL A310-308
Was supposed to be retired in April but Emirates have decided to hang on to this acft a little longer. Due to Peshawar apt being unable to handle A330s they are going to have to keep this acft to continue serving this route. I think for the month of April this acft has been withdrawn from service for maintenance (outside chance they may repaint into the billboard Emirates titles). It will re-enter service in May and do the 4x weekly daylight frequencies into LGW plus the 2x weekly PEW frequencies. I understand this acft will be withdrawn from service and returned to Airbus at the end of September 2002.

As for the question on narrowbodies, i think Qatar's answer explains most of the reasoning. A couple of additional points:
-certain routes have good cargo demand, and this is also an important revenue earner for the airline, so often the widebodies are needed for their higher cargo capacity
-aeropolitical constraints are limiting addition of extra freqs esp. to Saudi Arabia. Therefore, with the limited frequencies, and the strong demand, Emirates can easily fill widebodies. eg. to JED, and soon to RUH they operate 434 seat B777-300 (two class config) and they fill them up.
-going fwd you are likely to see Emirates deploy more A330s across the Gulf runs and raise the frequencies. You see as Emirates expands its other connection banks ie. the morning bank to Asia, the 777s will be required there and thus can be pulled from the Gulf routes. However, the Saudi routes, ie. JED and RUH will continue to see 777s due to the frequency limits.

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flyinghighboy
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RE: EK Question

Sun Apr 14, 2002 10:21 pm

Is this due to the fact that Saudia Arabia wants to save their own airline by denying more landing rights to foreign carriers?
 
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RE: EK Question

Sun Apr 14, 2002 11:36 pm

Loads to DOH, MCT, BAH, KWI aren't that high. Most of them are probably in the 60s range. EK would be better off with a few narrow bodies, that way they could fly up to five/six daily flights to each of the destinations mentioned.
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RE: EK Question

Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:45 am

Flyinghighboy:
No it is not really to protect Saudia from Emirates....SV is a good airline in its own right. The reason that EK has restricted rights to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is the same reason why all airlines that fly into Saudi Arabia have restricted rights.Most airlines that fly into JED and RUH would like to have many more frequencies there but the govt. would not allow that.Saudi Arabia is a very controlled country/society...the govt does not want too much influence from the outside world.Yes, the Al-Saud family does like to have it like that to keep the grip tight on the country......even tourist visas were never issued up until very recently....