LX-Maria
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Salaries Birdy / VG

Sun Apr 14, 2002 7:49 pm

Hello;

Rumours about new salary scales for Birdy and VG.
Initially, they were normal; now downgraded ?
Can anybody confirm only 4.500€ for Cpt and 3.200 for FO.
I must have misheard this one.
Maybe $ in stead of €.

Same for TCW ?
I heard 4.200€ and 3.200€. Is this correct ? or also $ ?

Same for Blue Panorama; only 1.300€ as FO on 737 ?

If it's true; airliners exploit the Belgian crisis.

Thxs
 
Mermoz 1
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Sun Apr 14, 2002 8:28 pm

I can confirm that ex-Sabena colleagues working as experienced captains on the A320 for Thomas Cook make 4500 Euros before taxes and have in hands after taxes something in the region of 2300 Euros...

Thomas Cook is in fact to be renamed Thomas cRook. After having been the instigators of the bankruptcy of City Bird, they still have no morality towards the crisis in Belgian aviation.

I wish them what they deserve : very soon pilots quitting this fraudulent company and flying for more honest employers while Thomas cRook desperate to pay Parc Aviation 10.000 US per month for a A320 captain...
 
Flying Belgian
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Thomas Crook.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:51 pm

At SNBA Park Aviations pilots fled after Sabena's bankruptcy. And pilots lost 30% of their wages...

Times are tough ans some make a profit on that...

A F/A within Thomas Cook earns at the highest period of the season some 1050 Euros per month.

It's a shame.


FB.
Life is great at 41.000 feet...
 
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:52 pm

Great to see flight crew pay levels get down to more realistic levels - hopefully this will result in more companies staying in business rather than being bankrupted by excessive pay!
 
airbuspilot
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:48 pm

SAS23, you obviously do not know what ypur speaking of so .......!

A copilot A320 at Thomas Crook airlines earns 3000€ before TVA. He has in his hands 1437€/month all in! Do you think that is normal for someone who:
1)paid 74368€ for his training. Average pay-off/month is 868€. Try to live on what is left over!

2)has to work nights, week-ends, hollidays

3)flies the maximum duty times of the BCAA

4)Has, together with his slightly more payed captain, the responsability of a 495787€worth piece of equipment and the lives of hundreds of people!

5)flies you around at 10000m altitudes at speeds +800km/h

I do not think so. What would you say if your Doktoc/specialist would be operating on your hart when he has been working 12 hours on a row and he has to worry at the same time about all the bills he will not be able to pay off due to his low salary!!!!!!

I do not think you would accept this so....

Thanks to the recession we know have a period of slavery within the airlines. The only thing I can say is that it will not be much longer before we have an accident in Belgium!!!!!Not because our pilots are not qualified, no because they will be exhausted to death!
I wonder who will take the responsability than?
 
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:58 pm

Airbuspilot,
It's a "carbon copy" of our dear friend...you know who...
And yes it's slavery...for that wage I do not want to work. I have the chance I can wait for better opportunities !! Feel very sorry for those who can't and wich them good luck anyway. Keep heads up and one day we'll see brighter sun !!
Spitfire
Sabena ... Never to be forgotten (12 years already , what a shame !! )
 
sab12
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:55 pm

Where are his smilies??!!??
 
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apuneger
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:01 pm

Sab12:

You're probably waiting for  Big thumbs up ...

And yes, you guys are right. For other people it might seem that pilots earn a lot, but they just don't think about all the things next to it, as already pointed out by Airbuspilot. Well, I just hope that we won't see a Belgian aviation accident in the nearby future...

Ivan
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mighluss
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:21 pm

I'm scared to see that I win almost as much as a F/O?! (you can see I have time to write this while working!). I hope economy will improve in the future!

all the best for you!

Miquel
Miquel.
 
saintsman
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:27 pm

There is a saying that if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

By the way, I don't mean to be derogatory to the current people who find themselves in a bad situation. But it's true, it's an accident waiting to happen.
 
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:57 pm

Airbus pilot, I appreciate your reply.

I'm quite amazed by the slavery level of Thomas Cook. They are already responsible for the disapearance of City-Bird. I knew already from a colleague that the schedles were quite terrible... But the wage is a scandal.

I decided to boycot Thomas Cook group this year for my hloiday together with my family and friends of mine.


Regards,

FB.
Life is great at 41.000 feet...
 
Spitfire
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:00 pm

I don't know if it's a good idea to boycot Thomas Cook, Snba or any of those companies. If they can't make it, at the end of the year there will be more unemployed pilots and f/a... If you didn't know it they were hired on a "trial contract" for ONE year...another scandal and prove of slavery!!They can be fired as quicly as they were hired!!
No, for all of you who have the opportunity to use those airlines, please use them. If they make profits then the situation of their employees could improve in the future. If they can't then it's another story...
Sabena ... Never to be forgotten (12 years already , what a shame !! )
 
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RE: Salaries Birdy / VG

Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:56 pm

I agree with Spitfire and I'm glad I booked my holiday with Thomas Cook.

And maybe I get a chance to fly with A320-addict, member of a.net and a Thomas Cook A320 pilot.

Regards, SN-A330
I would rather be flying...