hkgspotter1
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Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:26 am

I just got a text message on my phone from CNN saying that Virgin is looking into starting flight from Hong Kong to Sydney !!

This would be great for Australia and Hong Kong as we only have QF and CX on this route.
 
Qantas737
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:29 am

Interesting to hear such 'news' right now. Richard Branson is coming to Australia next week I think it is to launch some Virgin Store in Melbourne, so maybe he may mention something about it? Will have to wait and see  Big grin
 
hkgspotter1
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:56 am

Do I see A380's flying London - Hong Kong - Sydney in the future ??
 
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BNE
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:09 am

Richard Branson arrived on Saturday so he is already here.
Hong Kong Sydney would be a good move as this was one of Ansetts few international services so I think it should do well.

Why fly non stop when you can connect
 
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 12:04 pm

The A 380? I guess not. They tried the B 747-400 but there wasn't enough demand. Now they are using the A 340-300 again
 
docpepz
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 12:04 pm

Is it faster to do LHR-SYD via HKG or via South East Asia? Or is the LHR-South East Asia-SYD route saturated?
 
vywh
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 12:05 pm

Wow..that's good.There'll be more choices if people want to travel to Australia.But is it confirmed yet?or just planning??
 
andrewtang
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 12:19 pm

LHR-SIN-SYD will be faster. Using Code-Share with SIA.
But nevertheless, will be a good thing if VS deploy the A340-600 to SYD  Smile
 
hkgspotter1
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 12:31 pm

Hong Kong is on the fastest route between Uk and Australia / New Zealand. Its more direct then BKK/SIN.
 
docpepz
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 12:42 pm

Hkgspotter: I'm no too sure about absolute distances but as far as flying time goes:

Cathay Pacific:

SYD-HKG: 9h 20mins
HKG-LHR: 12h 50mins

Total flight time: 22h 10mins

Singapore Airlines:

SYD-SIN: 7h 50mins
SIN-LHR: 13h 30mins

Total flight time: 21h 20mins

Therefore, even though it takes 50 mins faster to go via SIN, with over 20 hours of flight time, I'd come to the conclusion that it takes rougly the same time to go via SIN or HKG.
 
B-HXB
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 1:40 pm

You also have to look at flight connection times.
 
9V-SPK
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 2:10 pm

I guess it's quite the same flying through Hong Kong or Singapore. Also after Ansett Pulled out, there was a shortage of supply on the HKG - SYD route. Qantas has added flights (3 extras) between Hong Kong - Sydney.

That'd be great news obviously! Virgin Blue and Virgin...

Best Regards
 
n949wp
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 2:19 pm

Great circle distances:
LHR-HKG-SYD = 10574 miles
LHR-SIN-SYD = 10671 miles

'949
 
aduum
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 3:47 pm

Just read that he is deciding weather or not Virgin Blue will meet Virgin in HKG, or weather Atlantic will go all the way.
 
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:17 pm

I think that this is fantastic news! I'm sure Hong Kong would be very proud to welcome one of the best airlines in the world to Chep Lap Kok.

The increased competition is very good and shows an interest in Virgin Atlantic to broaden it's horizons after coming out from such a terrible year.

Good for Virgin Atlantic Airways!

RIP CA129  Sad
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vywh
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:17 pm

is it possible to operate direct flights from LHR to SYD?
Can A340-600 and A380 do this?
 
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skippy777
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:20 pm

I know that the also asked for landing rights in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide.

So I think that Virgin will go al the way.
They fly daily to Hong Kong, so I think they will go for 2 flights to Sydney, 2 to Melbourne, 2 to Perth and one to Adelaide.

Nice connections for Virgin Blue as well !!!!!!!!

I will try to get this confirmed with my contacts with Virgin Atlantic
 
hkgspotter1
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:30 pm

The only reason SQ Boy likes VS is because they are part SQ !!.

For your info, VS fly to Hong Kong daily so who can Hong Kong Welcome ?.

Anyway I would have no problem flying VS down to OZ, the good thing is all carriers to OZ from Hong Kong are safe, CX, QF and VS. SQ could learn a thing or two from VS !
 
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:34 pm

Full Story

Virgin Atlantic eyes Sydney-HK route -paper


Sunday April 14, 7:38 PM EDT

HONG KONG, April 15 (Reuters) - British airline Virgin Atlantic is studying the possibility of launching flights on the heavily travelled route between Hong Kong and Sydney, the South China Morning Post reported on Monday.

The newspaper quoted Virgin boss Richard Branson as saying services on the route could begin in a year.

Officials from Virgin Atlantic in Hong Kong were not immediately available for comment.

Branson also told the newspaper that Virgin Blue, his low-cost domestic airline in Australia, would almost certainly begin trans-Tasman services between Australia and New Zealand within a similar time frame.

The British entrepreneur was speaking in Hong Kong before heading to Australia at the weekend to discuss acquiring terminal leases and other operations from Ansett Airlines, the SCMP said.

He said there were opportunities for Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Blue to grab new markets before rival Qantas (QAN) did.

"Because of the demise of Ansett, we need to expand as quickly as possible to cope with domestic demand. I'm going to Australia to discuss new moves," he said.

The SCMP said the new Sydney-Hong Kong route would be part of an international expansion plan for Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Blue in Australasian markets.

Branson gave no further details on the plan, but said: "With the demise of Ansett's Hong Kong to Sydney service, there is a need for (another) Australian carrier to fly that route."

Australia's Qantas, British Airways (BAY) and Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific Airways (0293) currently provide services between Sydney and Hong Kong.


 
WunalaDreaming
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:39 pm

Can I smell Virgin Pacific. Another international airline for Australia?

He has the rights to:

as that willl direct you to the 'House of Virgin'.
 
WunalaDreaming
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:42 pm

Sorry, the link did not come out....

it's

http://www.virgin-pacific.com
 
9V-SPK
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:48 pm

SQ can't learn anything because they have no flights from Australia to Hong Kong directly! Just like every airline flying Singapore - Australia are safe, Qantas, British Airways, Singapore Airlines, Emirates are safe. Maybe then CX can learn something from the airlines!

Best Regards
 
docpepz
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:05 pm

9V-SPK:

Hkgspotter was trying to imply that SQ is not safe. I shall not elaborate any further.

Hkgspotter:

perhaps Singapore_Air irritates you but could you please keep it between the both of you? And not resort to running other airlines down? I'd appreciate that very much. Thanks!

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards.
 
hkgspotter1
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:08 pm

IRRITATES would be a big under statement !!

Yes, I understand. I am not running any carrier down, well other then SQ !!
 
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:53 pm

Hkgspotter1:
I thought that about VS at HKG, but reading it again, I realise he means welcoming DJ to HKG.
 
hkgspotter1
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:55 pm

Still the same carrier if you ask me !!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:02 pm

I doubt DJ would fly to Hong Kong. Are there any examples of low cost carriers surviving on long haul routes?

VS's product compliments VS's product very well if you ask me. Why have inconsistencies in the product. VS would be as good a replacement for AN as there would ever be.

Cheers,

Justin
 
cathay250
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:09 pm

Please fly to Melbourne, at least there is a hope that CX will lower their fare.
 
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:41 pm

I actually thought SYD-BKK-LHR was the quickest in terms of flying time, definitely the quickest according to the QF timetable last time I checked.
M88, 722, 732, 733, 734, 73G, 73H, 742, 743, 744, 752, 762, 763, 772, 773, 77W, 320, 332, 333, 345, 388, DH8, SF3 - want
 
aduum
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:29 pm

Just a question about Richard... what does he travel on to Australia?

Does he have his own a/c or on a scheduled flight?
 
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:58 pm

Coachman-

That might be a strong possability! VS have been interested in BKK for a long time...
 
9V-SPK
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Tue Apr 16, 2002 1:30 am

Docpepz - HaHa of course i know he means. So that's why i told him airlines flying Singapore - Sydney are safe, when he said that airlines flying Hong Kong - Sydney are safe! Same situation!

Best Regards
 
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:32 am

First of all, my name is Singapore_Air and not SQ Boy.

I think that is is quite prudent that Virgin Atlantic is to rely less heavily on the Atlantic market. Flying from Hong Kong to Sydney is also very good as it seems that they realise that the market is not yet saturated.

I hope this route gets approval ASAP. The sooner the better. According to Virgin Atlantic, getting Australian approval is "just a formallity" and therefore it will launch the route as quickly as it can.

As for safety issues, Singapore Airlines Limited and Virgin Atlantic Airways Limited have the highest safety certificate from the FAA (Category 1).


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
 
wirraway
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:45 am

Aduum wrote: "Just a question about Richard... what does he travel on to Australia?

Richard arrived Saturday aboard CX101 from HK.

Wirraway
 
hkgspotter1
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:55 am

He flew on CX, thats good, and a good sign for the new Hong Kong - Sydney flights.


One question for Singapore_Air. How many times have you flown SQ ?. I understand from a friend that its only once.
 
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:59 am

Skystar:

The latest indication is that Branson is serious considering using DJ to fly SYD-HKG. DJ is now 50% owned by Australians, which means DJ can apply for previous Ansett International's route authorities. It should be easier than for VS to get fifth freedom rights from China/Hong Kong.
 
SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Tue Apr 16, 2002 10:24 am

HKGSpotter: An irrelevant question of which the answer that you provided on my behalf is false.
Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
 
wirraway
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Tue Apr 16, 2002 10:34 am

Regarding DJ flying to Hong Kong, an extract from
this mornings "The Australian" :

"It faced an additional hurdle on the Hong Kong route because Qantas had already soaked up all spare capacity made available by the demise of Ansett."

"An application to fly to Hong Kong would require the Australian Government to renegotiate its air services agreement, they said."

Wirraway
 
Marara
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RE: Virgin, Hong Kong - Sydney.

Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:57 pm

Doesnt an airline have to be 51% australian owned to fly internationally?
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