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CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:21 am

China Airlines flight CI197 'almost' crashed into a bank building in Kaohsiung while in landing process on April 16. However, China Airlines has denied about such incident and said it was the differences of viewing.

The eyewitness said CI197 was preparing to land at KHH around 2300LT. Pilot's obeservation thinks that the head of the plane didn't face the runway properly, and decided to go around. During the go-around process, the eyewitness said it almost smashed into the building belongs to "Land Bank." (a name for the bank)

KHH authority explained that there's nothing unusual and the plane has successfully left KHH the day after. CI official said the plane lowered its altitude by 400 to 500m, which might causes the people to have false impression that the plane almost smashed into the building.
 
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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:04 am

No one has comments?
 
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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:08 am

I was going to say "OH MY GOD!"

but then I realized it's China Airlines....

just another "routine" flying stunt
by a brave CI pilot....

no real surprise there  Big grin

 
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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:30 am

If you fly CI your are a brave person !!
 
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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:42 am

Yay, I'm a brave person, I flew them twice, I'm double brave!

It's obvious peoepl got the wrong impression of it, must of been hard to see, especially at night. If someone got off the flight at the (now closed) Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong, I wouldn't be suprised if people kepts saying "we nearly crashed!"  Smile

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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:10 pm

As Trevor commented, if people are not familiar with old Kai Tak at Hong Kong, they'll swear that this plane is about to crash!!

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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:31 pm

To lose one A300 is unlucky, to lose two is careless; to lose three is . . . CAL?

Oh ye of little faith; of course, they were nowhere near a building; they just happened to be about 400-500m lower than they should have been on approach; nothing to worry about at all.
 
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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:06 pm

I can remember that there was a discussed topic about Air China (CA) VS China Airlines (CI) on a Chinese avaiation forum.

A registered user who worked for China Airlines and he is currently living in mainland China (a real frequent flyer with Air China) posted the greatest advantages of Air China & China Airlines:

Air China: High Standard Safety Record (compared to CI)

China Airlines: High Standard Onboard Service (compared to CA)

Air China & China Airlines mostly same standard aspects:
* Public Relatios
* Catering Service
* Ground Service
* Frequent Flyer Program
 
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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:50 pm

I'll have safety over service any day thank you!!!

As the CI spokesperson has said, 'nothing unusual'!!!
 
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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:26 pm

I've never flown China Airlines but by all accounts their service onboard is pretty decent. However, their safety record isn't!! This incident isn't a big deal. It may look like it almost crashed into the building from someone's point of view on the ground, but it was at night & I don't think it could've been that close or else wouldn't there be other people voicing their complaints about how close the plane was to the building?

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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 25, 2002 7:19 pm

Kaitak:

I'm not arguing with about CI's safety standard, but there were two Airbus crashes at CI, not three.
 
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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 25, 2002 9:34 pm

For those of you unfamiliar with the CI A300-600 crashes, you might like to know that they crashed in similar circumstances in Nagoya (Apr 26 1994) and Taipei (Feb 16 1998).

Both instances, a/c decided to go-round at the last minute during the final phase of approach. Both a/c hastily climbed... in fact the first Airbus in Nagoya climed so fast that the tower controller speculated the speed to be 1500ft within a few seconds. Both Airbuses stalled after a steep climb leading to catastrophic crashes.

The difference between the 2 is the one on Nagoya had its gears down, with the pilots arguing whether they should indeed go-round. Whereas the one in Taipei had its gears up.

The one in Nagoya stalled because the nose was pitched too high and the airspeed dropped to below 80knots, a/c could not be recovered in time and smashed into the ground, aft tail cone and main landing gears first...

The one in Taipei obviously had decided to go-round with its gears up but made wild turns at the airport boundaries after rapidly climbing to an alarming 1000ft (airspeed was unregisterable at this point), a pitch of 40deg nose up then down, and a futile almost-recovery just before the plane hit the ground, just like Nagoya.

There were speculations that someone on board the CI Airbus in Taipei was using a handphone while the a/c was on approach, thus interfering with the nav systems. But this was never proven.

Well, China Airlines has improved in terms of safety since then. Who would want lightning to strike twice? Especially when an airline is concerned? After those crashes, there has never been a safer time to fly with CI. Seriously, it has got all CI employees on their toes...

Lets not talk about the CI MD11 crash in HKG, bad decision by the pilot to land in typhoon...  Sad

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RE: CI197 'almost' Crashed Into Building In KHH

Thu Apr 25, 2002 9:41 pm

Yes, let's also not mention about the CI A340 taking off from the taxiway in Anchorage.

Anyway, I have flown on CI twice, once on their A300-600's and once on their 737-800, an dI have to admit, they are one of the best airlines I have ever flown with. There is no doubt that the service on board is exceptional. Safety is somethign they are strongly working on and I am glad to know that.

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