Tcas
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Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:47 am

This guy is my idol. He is CEO of Continental, brought it back from certain devastation from friggin Lorenzo. I really hate him. And, in the process he pilots his fleet's new aircraft and makes witty coments and has a sense of humor. Hats off to you Gordon!

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RE: Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:59 am

"This guy is my idol" followed by "I really hate him." I presume you mean you hate Lorenzo though. I find this highly improbable as I'm certain you have never met Frank.

You may dislike, disrespect or wonder about what he did, but you can't hate the man.

Of course I can tell you, secondhand from a friend who worked for CO many years ago, that Lorenzo could not find his way out of his office without a map.
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Tcas
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RE: Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:01 pm

I do hate Lorenzo. Maybe "dislike" is a better word.
 
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RE: Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:05 pm

A man who sold out the futures and well-being of thousands upon thousands of his fellow man just to pocket some coin?

No, I think "hate" sums it up nicely.
 
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RE: Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:28 pm

IMissPiedmont, he didn't want to LEAVE his office-he was scared to death of the employees!! (Frankie, that is).

Funny, though. I met Frank 3 times. Twice at employee meetings in CLE, and once when working a CLE-DEN flight. He was flying to DEN, and I had just given him the last first class seat (this was probably in 88 or 89). Along comes an elite memeber, and the only seat left was 5B in coach-believe it or not, Frankie gave up his first class seat for the middle coach seat!! The Elite member knew who Frank was, and was just floored!! As was I!

And in the 2 employee meetings, he could be personally nice to you, but you knew, deep down, he was just in it for himself.
 
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RE: Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:33 pm

They say Frank was a real nice, personable guy.

Alpha 1, were you at CO during the pre-Lorenzo era? Back when Continental headquarters was in LAX? If so, what was that like to work for?
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RE: Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:47 pm

Post this thread on flyertalk.com and you'll get loads of replies bashing Bethune. Gordo pissed off a lot of elites by reneging on his promise not to cut back on OnePass.
 
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RE: Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:36 pm

Revisionist history is all well and good, but if Frank Lorenzo's Texas Air had failed in its bid to acquire Continental, Continental would have failed almost immediately. And if Lorenzo/Texas Air/Jet Capital had realized the scope and depth of CO's troubles, he would never have bought and saved them.

He actually saved CO twice- once, when he bought it, and again when he had the foresight to file bankruptcy while the line still had acsh with which to resume its operations viably (a bankruptcy which was forced, BTW, by the IAM).

There is no doubt that he lost sight of the priorities after the EA aquisition (or, more realistically, when he opted to acquire EA), but there would not be any CO without Lorenzo.

And all the re-hired FL people would not have had their jobs.

And ditto the PE PEople.

Frank is no angel, but he's far from the devil he's accused of being. And (FWIW) when my wife worked in the executive offices at Smith, he was polite to the help... unlike some of the other people there.

Ciao.
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RE: Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Sun Apr 21, 2002 12:30 am

Sccutler,

Well that would have been difficult for your wife to meet Frank on Smith since they were in the AGC on Allen Parkway when Frank was there.
 
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RE: Gordon Bethune Is Bad @ss

Sun Apr 21, 2002 12:33 am

Frank is my idol. He did so much to commercial aviation in USA.
Without him you would have choice of flying TWA, United, American, Pan Am.

The only thing that pissing me off about him is that he could do something about Eastern and he didnt do it.

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