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AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sat Apr 20, 2002 2:04 am

AA has requested an appeal hearing with the City of Long Beach in the next 2 weeks about being denied permanent slots. Part of the city's airport slot ordinance, the appeal is the next step in a multi-hearing process. My expectation is that AA will use the entire hearing process before filing suit against the city.

http://63.147.65.166/archive/business/0402/19/biz01.asp
Airline appeals airport denial

By Felix Sanchez
Staff writer

American Airlines has appealed Long Beach Airport's decision to deny a request for permanent flight slots and has asked for a hearing.

In a letter dated Thursday and faxed to airport manager Chris Kunze, American Airlines vice president for capacity planning Walter J. Aue said the passenger carrier wants a hearing as soon as possible.

Under the city of Long Beach's airport ordinance there is a provision for appeals of decisions involving flight slots and other airport regulations. American wants a hearing within 14 days.

American has requested four daily flight slots to begin service to Chicago and New York City. But the city said there are no spots available among the 41 daily flight ordinances set as a cap for the airport.

In the interim, American has accepted the use of temporary banked slots - those held by an airline but not being used - to begin the new flights.

JetBlue Airways has the majority of airport slots, 27 daily, but only uses three. JetBlue executives say all 27 will be in operation by May 2003.

American wants the hearing to "contest the legality of the city's agreement with JetBlue and the locally imposed slot constraints," Aue wrote.

A hearing will be set between American officials and Kunze. There are also provisions for subsequent appeals hearings with the city manager and the City Council.


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AA@DFW
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sat Apr 20, 2002 7:54 am

Long Beach had better stand bAAck! That little city is no competition for a power like American.
 
ben88
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sat Apr 20, 2002 8:16 am

Long Beach is not a little city. The majors had their chance to jump on LGB but they passed it up and now they have to live with it. Go Jetblue!
 
blink182
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sat Apr 20, 2002 10:54 am

Hey... AA kept longbeach's economy up. The ordered hundreds of MD-80s that were built at the McDonnell Douglas facility. Longbeach should atleast reward AA some how  Smile

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FlagshipAZ
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:27 pm

Could LGB be sore at American for returning those 30 717s? Maybe LGB is sore because American gave the MD-11 a bad rap? Or maybe LGB is sore because American has started service to LGB, then dropped the city not once, but many times? Go figure. I'm with LGB on this one. Regards.
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usairways85
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:38 pm

i would much rather see jetblue use all the slots, but what are they waiting for! they have a mere 3 flts a day, but expect to have 27 a day in a year. thats 24 flts in a year, dont you think that is just a bit much for a small low-fare carrier like jetblue. when are they going to start expanding.
 
deltaflyertoo
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:43 pm

I think this is such a load of BS. It is disgusting what AA is trying to do and the fact they are going to have a tantrum over it and appeal is ridiculous as well. As Ben88 pointed out, they should have used the slots when they had them.

I don't know if it would economicially work, but it would be funny to see AA get the slots, start those flights, and then have JetBlue move all of its operations over to LAX and be successful. They have a big LA following, it maybe possible.
 
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sat Apr 20, 2002 7:38 pm

Usairways85: B6 will have 6 slots in use by June, and more will probably be coming. If they receive 1 aircraft/month, with possible acceleration of deliveries due to:

a) IPO money

b) A320 canceled/defered deliveries by other airlines due to 9/11(US, etc.),

I'd expect to see the slots used by 2003. They won't all be time-consuming transcons. There will probably be flights to DEN, SEA, etc.
 
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sun Apr 21, 2002 2:54 am

I would hate to see Jet Blue @ LAX. The most appealing part of the deal is not having to get caught up in the mess known as LAX when you travel.

Now you can park your car for about 7.00/day, walk a few feet to the terminal and take a fairly priced flight to New York hassle free. It's a travelers dream come true.

Try that at LAX.
 
AA@STL
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sun Apr 21, 2002 3:03 am

Why does Long Beach have a 41 flights a day cap?

That's only like three an hour.

Pretty small.

Sooner or later LAX won't be able to take any more flights and at least some of that load is going to fall on Long Beach.

I would like to see American get the slots it wants.
 
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sun Apr 21, 2002 3:36 am

I wish AA would just stop whining and realize how stupid they sound.
 
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RE: AA Appeals Long Beach For Permanent Slots

Sun Apr 21, 2002 4:17 am

I had to fly into LAX recently (not by choice). After a long frustrating day of lines and delays - jetBlue provided the comice relief I needed as I rode the shuttle bus to the rental car agency. A huge billboard strategically posted just oustide the airport says:

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLINES SUCK. Fly jetBlue from Long Beach.

Even when I don't fly them - they still make my day.