hkgspotter1
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Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Sat Apr 20, 2002 10:50 pm

The aircraft landed this afternoon and is registered N705CK (new reg). The aircraft has no markings or titles other then the reg.

With a little help from CXFlyboy it was clear to see this aircraft is ex JAL as you can see they have just painted over the old markings. Can anyone confirm its EX JA8123 as this did its last flight at the end of March.
 
D-AIGW
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Sat Apr 20, 2002 11:04 pm

According to hkairport.com the flight came in from Tokyo as CB826 and leaves tomorrow at 1345 for Sapporo, ANC, ORD and JFK.
 
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Sat Apr 20, 2002 11:49 pm

Is Kalitta Air = ex-American International Airways?
how about Kitty Hawk International?
 
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Sun Apr 21, 2002 12:39 am

AIA=KHI=Kalitta Air

In that chronological order

Connie sold AIA to KH.... KH shut down KIA within a year. Connie, supremely pissed of at KHI, sued them and got back the airline. It's known that Connie was extremely dedicated to his crews, and would never had sold AIA knowing it was going to be dismantled and the crews out on the street.

JET
 
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:05 am

IS IT EX JA8123 ???

Please.
 
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Kalitta Bad!

Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:29 am

Connie Kalitta was kicked off the board of directors at KH because he went out and bought two DC-8's in cash. KH Board never agreed with this purchase, Connie was offered an amount of cash and his KH stock, which I hear was valued at $100 MN and told to leave. Subsequently, my sources indicate, he was also forced to sign an exclusionary clause as part of his merger with KH; this exclusionary clause prevented him from operating a Part 121 Cargo Airline for 5 years after leaving the company. Connie basically lost everything except for a few aircraft and some cash, something like a few million. He has been reported as saying it was a $100 MN dollar mistake.

Connie never really had great love for anyone, save for his two poodles and didn't like aircrews. I had seen him fire Captains for dumping fuel and for those not willing to go along with the team. As he got older his drinking got more and more out of control, I seen him more than one time drinking Vodka on the rocks at 9:00am.

Connie Kalitta was an out of control, cut any corners, pay anyone off operation. Yes, I did work for Connie Kalitta, a shrewd businessman by all means but that's where the compliments end.

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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Mon Apr 22, 2002 3:54 pm

I flew with All the KH crews when they came over to Express.Net. They never liked the man but said he did treat the crews well.

He even offered to retain seniority for any crews returning to the ne kalitta.

I have heard the stories back from the day...... but in the recent past I heard he was a kinder and gentler Connie.

Connie, Scott Kalitta, Tony Romeo, Barry and Frank Fine, George Butler, Dick Clark.... all from the same neighborhood. The FAA has made it impossible for these guys to run airlines like they would like to... and thank god for that.

Sounds like you worked in Oscoda?

JET
 
senliture
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Mon Apr 22, 2002 4:21 pm

it should be JA8124

http://www.bird.ch/bharms/boeing/b747_t_0.htm

Senliture
 
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Mon Apr 22, 2002 4:34 pm

HKSpotter1,

could you mind telling me where I can have a good view of aircraft take off and landing in the HKIA?
I like aircraft spotting , too. :>

My email is sktom777@yahoo.com.hk

Thomas
 
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Mon Apr 22, 2002 4:48 pm

Senliture,

How do you get JA8124 ??

Rgds
Daryl

 
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Mon Apr 22, 2002 5:43 pm

TechRep - I don't suppose you were the guy that Connie fired after the first L1F arrived back from Marshalls and he found that the belly corrosion hadn't been dealt with - despite assurances from the rep to the contrary?  Big grin

JETPILOT - a couple of years back I was involved with a group that looked at a sale-and-leaseback of some aircraft from Fine Air. We met with Frank and Barry and my colleague - a tough Cayman Islands based banker - said afterwards that Frank was one of the few people that scared the cr@p out of him just by being there!
 
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:06 pm

Dude.... you should have been around for the "Tuesday morning meeting" at Fine. You didnt have to be in the office where it was taking place. You could hear him throughout the building.

I worked for the Fine's.... I ran the other way if I saw either one of them comming down the hall.....

Frank showed up in his pajamas one night at operations because a dispatcher fucked something up.... he got out of bed had his private jet pick him up in West palm beach, and fly him to Miami.... yes fly... to have himself a pice of this guys ass. No shit.

Frank coined the phrase.... "pilots are a necessary evil in this business".

Ahhhhh... reminiscing about the Fine Air Days.

JET
 
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Heart Like A Wheel

Mon Apr 22, 2002 7:53 pm

I worked for Connie in LAX and SAN for about a year but my Field Manager at Airborne Express was his right hand man before coming to ABX. Kalitta was my first job in commercial aviation. I was interviewed at the Wild Goose (Strip Club) near LAX and during the interview it was fully appropriate to drink beer. In fact I declined to drink and the interviewer told me, "If you want to work for Kalitta you gotta drink".

I was officially a freight dog on that day. As I matured as a mechanic, I realized that all those Ypsilanti operators were unsafe and skirted the rules daily. I am glad the FAA finally got wise and started to police these freight operators they were out of control. In the short time I worked there, I never saw a PMI or PAI approach the planes to have a look around and we were only 100 yards from the FSDO.

Connie would frequently been seen switching seats with the Captain so he could fly the aircraft to Ypsilanti, he had no pilots license/rating because his eyes were bad. Funny?

On one occasion some "Hill Billy’s" from Yip showed up to do some fuel work on a Diesel8 in LAX. They arrived dragged out there equipment and opened an ice chest and began to drink beer while working fully 100 yards from the FSDO. Funny?

When you visit Yip you could go to any soda machine in the hangar and buy beer including while at work. Funny?

After Connie fired an entire crew for refusing to ferry a B747 to Oscoda for repairs he called out another crew that was on rest. The Captain was visibly intoxicated and belligerent. My avionics guy was asked to join the flight and was very scared after seeing the condition of the Captain. We tried to inform MX CNTRL but they said, "just launch the fucking plane". When my avionics guy returned some days later he instructed me the Captain and F/E got into a fist fight over the column because the captain kept breaking altitude in route. Funny?

I no longer find these story's funny but at one time I did. These types of operations are dinosaurs and should be shut down. Sure, I owe my first job to Connie and maybe I wouldn’t be here today in my career without him but safety has to be paramount. Many of these antics are approved and sometimes Connie encourages them. Connie must find ways to keep people commited to his organization, this was how he did it.

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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:03 pm

N705CK / JA8124 was scrapped in 1995.

This N705CK is not the same aircraft. It would be strange however if both JA8123 and JA8124 became N705CK.
 
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RE: Kalitta Air 747-200F In Hong Kong Today.

Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:31 pm

I almost flew AIA charter to Rome and was booked on an AIA charter flight to Aruba but there was an airline substitution.

Did they operate the charter passengers flights is the same manner as described?

Did anyone ever fly on one of these flights. After reading this, I'm glad my travel plans changed.

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