alpere1
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Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Sun Apr 21, 2002 9:35 pm

Hi there!
long time ago, before sept. 11th I had heard Iberia had to make a decission to renovate their old 747-200 fleet
but ever since then I haven't heard anything about it, they were thinking of the A380, A340-600, or even B744
Does anybody have any news about what they are going to do?
 
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Sun Apr 21, 2002 10:00 pm

Who would have to pay for that ? not Iberia ...
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Sun Apr 21, 2002 10:24 pm

We had this topic recently, nonetheless:

The choice is down to the B777-300ER and the A340-600 with the -600 considered to be the front-runner due to the existing A340-300 and A32X fleet. Around 10 frames will be ordered to replace the B747-200 and -300 currently owned/leased.

The A380 is currently considered to be too big although this is an option for the future, rumours last year suggested that IB could lease two from GECAS. No word about the B747-400.

On the narrowbody-side IB will standarize on the A32X family which means that the B757-200s are on their way out as far as I know.

Hope this helps.

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El Al 001
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:24 pm

Why did Iberia get the 757s from the first place???
They dont belong there...

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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:49 pm

El AL--I think it's in Iberia's corporate charter that they have to have at least one of every type of commercial airliner in their fleet. You doubt it? Just look at the ramp in MAD! There are more different types of planes there than at the boneyard at Mojave  Big grin. TC
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alpere1
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:49 pm

Thank you Flying -Tiger for your help,
I do believe A380 would be too big for Iberia's overseas operations, the A340-600 seems to be the most reasonable choice as the existing A340 crews would be easily trainned with a low cost for the company, and seamlessly fly all the A340 fleet.
However, I'd love to see and fly B777 in IB's livery.
About the A32X flleet and B757-200 fleet, Iberia thought of having an Airbus fleet with A320, A321 and A319, but there were a lot of problems with A321s because the pilots union did not accept to fly A321 under the same salary category as A320 - like the company wanted. I don´t know wether this dispute is over or not, if it was succesfully solved for the company interests it is very likely that the B757 will leave the fleet and more A321s are dued to arrive
 
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:47 am

The A380 is not to big for Iberia's trans-Atlantics to Miami, Mexico City, and Buenos Aires. All three cities have very strong ties to Spain and Madrid is the largest trans-Atlantic destination from each.
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Mon Apr 22, 2002 4:29 am

The 757 isn't on it's way out of the fleet. Some of them have been delivered last year so don't expect them to go anywhere soon. But I do admit that it doesn't really fit into the fleet but the guys in MAD must know why they were ordered...

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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Fri May 03, 2002 2:58 am

Why did Iberia get the 757s from the first place???
They dont belong there...


Why??
 
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Fri May 03, 2002 3:14 am

As for the 742 replacement, as stated correctly above, its between the A346 and B773, with the A346 likely to get the order as Iberia already operates a large fleet of A343s. As IB's operates a mixed fleet of 742s and leased-in 743s fom Air Atlanta Iceland, most thought time was of the essence concerning this order, but IB has not yet committed probably due to financial reasons.......or maybe they are waiting for Boeing to come up with an unbeatable price for the 777s?

As for the 757, IB does plan to eliminate this type from the fleet over the next few years to standardize on Airbus narrow-bodies. I agree, its strange, they purchased the 757 twice, the first group was of about 10 was delivered in the early 90s with most of those now gone, the second group of about 15 or so aircraft were delivered in 1999-2000, so they are very new. I am not sure why IB would want to dispose of these very new planes so quickly, but the management has stated that the 757 does not have a long term future in the IB fleet. Maybe mangement will change its mind? I think that the 757 was originally acquired to replace the A300Bs which were too big for many european routes out of MAD and BCN, later, the 757 was part of the 72S replacement program.......IB operated the 72S far longer than most European carriers.

As for the A380, not likely, although as stated above, there are serveral routes out of MAD that could support the aircraft.......however, I do not think that IB can afford to invest in the A380 for a limited number of routes and it will instead fly several flites per day from MAD to cities such as Miami, Buenos Aires and Mexico City.
 
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Fri May 03, 2002 3:24 am

Iberia could still go for the 777 if Boeing offers them an extremely good price for the aircrafts. And beside, some of its OneWorld parnters ( BA, AA and CX ) operates the 777.
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IB 757s

Fri May 03, 2002 4:31 am

Hello Dutchjet,

Do you have som reliable information about the 757-200 fleet that will be phased out please?

I'd be really interested if anyone had some background information about their 757s and why theyr ordered them please.



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dutchjet
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Fri May 03, 2002 4:38 am

Hey Alain,

Concerning the IB 757, IB management, in their annual reports and statements of 1999 and 2000, stated that the future plans of the IB focused around a narrow-body fleet of A32X aircraft and a long-haul fleet of A343 aircraft, plus a 747 replacement. The 757 was to be retired and out of the fleet before 2008.......I will look through my papers and send you a more specific reference if I can find it. I remember this clearly because I found it all so unusual.

As I stated above, why? I have no idea, and do not understand it except that Iberia seems determined to go all Airbus, but so many airlines operate the 757 to fill the gap between the A32X series and the widebodies.
 
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RE: Iberia Long Haul Fleet Renovation

Fri May 03, 2002 4:53 am

Hello Dutchjet,


Thanks for the information and thanks for looking.

Maybe they had some concerns about the field length? MAD didn't have a particularly long runway, while the airport is considered as hot'n'high. And the initial CFM56-B1s were maybe not meeting the requirement...


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