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National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 11:16 am

I was wondering what aircraft National Leaders use when they fly. Obviously AF1 is used for the US but I was wondering about other countries and the aircraft used. Are there any leaders that fly commercially or on commerical carriers? Or are they all operated by their respective countries Air Force. I remember Blair was on a BA777 when he went to NZ but for intra-Europe travel what does he use and the other leaders use. Also can anyone confirm this for me...
I was waiting to board an NW Mesaba Avro Regional Jet flight. A comment was made by a passenger that the Avro was specifically designed with 4 engines because the Royal Family only travels on 4 engine aircraft or something like that. I have seen ARJ transporting some of the Royals on TV I was just wondering if this guy was right what he said about the 4 engine thing. Thanks.
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 11:20 am

When i was at Paris CDG back in ohhhh 1995, i saw the Paris Air Force A340 that the president used, i don't know if they changed it.
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 11:27 am

Hi Mark,

This is what the Prime Minister of New Zealand uses to get around in......

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As you can see, she's not too popular here.
That's one of the opposition parties chasing her in the C130. LOL Big grin

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She'll normally only use the B727 for Pacific rim visits.
Other than that, for visits further afield and within the country, she'll usually fly commercial.
Regarding the BA777 visit here.
That carried the Queen rather than Tony Blair.

Mike (NZWN)
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 11:32 am

BTW, without me realising it, that last sentence there seems to throw that passengers' theory right out the window; the Queen on a twin-engined 777.
True, the Royal Family has 2 (maybe 3) RAF BAE146s at their disposal but that's certainly not the reason that they were designed with four engines.
The reasons were purely commercial.
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 11:33 am

Mike thanks for the quick response. My bad getting Blair and the Queen mixed up on their visit to NZ. I guess that also answers my question about the 4 engine aircraft rule that I thought I heard. Do you happen to know if the 777 was specially modified and/or if it was manned by a RAF flight and in-flight service crew or regular BA crews. Thanks
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 11:39 am

As far as I know, the first class area was modified for that tour and tech crew was BA.
Cabin crew?
I don't know, but I assume they would've been BA as well; obviously hand-picked.
Would've entailed a lot of expense and training for RAF crew to be used.
Maybe someone from BA could elaborate.
For internal travel while she was here, she used an Air NZ BAE146 and RNZAF 727.
PS: Just out of interest, her first ever commercial flight some years ago was on an Air NZ B747-400 LHR-LAX-AKL with modified first class compartment.  Smile
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 11:57 am

Some of the national aircraft that come to mind:

Canada A310-300
Peru 735
Mexico 752
Chile 703
Argentina 703
France A310-300....didn't know about the A340!
Italy A319
Venezuela A319
Japan 744
China 763
Pakistan 733.....may be in PIA service now.
Saudi Arabia one of everything! all in Saudia livery!
Jordan A342
Egypt A342
Germany A310-300

......I cant think anymore.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:58 pm

Actually Argentina is a 752 called TANGO-1
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:10 pm

I know the leaders of Singapore travel by scheduled commerical services on SIA. They never charter planes. Also, they don't usually book up the whole of first class.

We all know they could well afford to charter aircraft for official travel, but I suppose they don't want to be seen as extravagant?
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:14 pm

Here's a picture of one of the two Italian Prime Minister's planes (A319CJ). Note the funny remark that gives you an idea of the real nature of our current "beloved" Prime Minister  Smile!


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T_a

P.S.: when I say "beloved", I'm joking...clear?

 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:14 pm

When a BA aircraft is chartered for V.I.P. BA crew are used.
If security is an issue an RAF VC-10 or BAe-146 is used.
That comment about the 4-engined 146 being designed for Royal use is hilarious, reminds me of the story of an American tourist seeing an aircraft from LHR climbing over Windsor Castle "Gee, isn't it neat they built a castle so convienient for the airport".
(In actual fact the BAe-146's replaced twin engined HS-748's, for a long time it was expected that the 748's would be replaced by BAC-1-11's, but no order before the line closed).
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:22 pm

See my profile for a album with government aircrafts.
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 6:46 pm

Hey Andrea,
When I saw that A319CJ here in Wellington last year, I'm sure it had different markings on the side.
Forca Aeronautica Militare (correct me here) or something like that.
I realize they have more than one, maybe I saw one of the others.
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:02 pm

Ciao Mike,
the two planes have identical paint scheme and both have written Areonautica Militare in the back of the fuse, alongside Repubblica Italiana mark in the front.
So, I guess you have ssen it from the rear.
But, why was that plane in Wellington? Was it during the America's Cup competition?

Bye.

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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:08 pm

I remember RP Pres. Macapagal chartering a Philippine Airlines A320 when she went on her SE Asia tour.
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:29 pm

T_a,
Yeah that's right.
I was looking at it from the rear port side when it was parked at the Air Force terminal.
It was here on some Govt visit.
Might've been your PM or Trade Minister or something.
Can't remember.
Wasn't Americas Cup that's for sure.

Mike  Smile
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:29 pm

On a recent article of Airways magazine (or was it Airliner World?? can't remember) about Philippine Airlines there was a very interesting aspect of "government aircraft".

Imelda Marcos, wife of the former dictator Ferdinardo, used to travel with the airlines DC-10's to Europe just for shopping. The interesting thing is that she flew just her and her friends, not other passengers. She used to "charter" the whole plane just for 10-20 persons, with no prior notice and the airline had to pull the aircraft of the schedule for as many days as she liked to stay in Paris or Milan or Rome. Of course she did not pay, of course the loss for the airline was huge.

(An explanation would be that she needed the extra space and cargo for the items she bought, hehe, many many shoes).

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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:36 am

The Qatari Government has:

1x A340-200
1x A310-300
1x A320-200
1x A319CJ (wet leased from Qatar Airways to replace the Falcon 900)

They also have on order:

1x A340-500 to replace the A340-200
1x A330-200 to replace the A310-300

All aircraft are operated by Qatar Airways.

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Qatar
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 2:30 am

Our Royal family and government uses a modest, homemade, Fokker 70:


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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 2:32 am

Estonian ones are travelling by scheduled commerical services either with Estonian Air or Finnair. There has been a few exceptions because of larger delegation. In this case Estonian Air's B735 or F50 were chartered.
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 3:04 am

The Danish PM and royal family (not so sure on that one) primarily uses a Gulfstream from the RDAF, at least on inter-European flights. On flights to other continents, they both use ordinary SAS flights.
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 3:24 am

Some examples:

Canada...


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UK...

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USSR...

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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 3:39 am

NZ767,

Hahaha...I have never seen a funnier comment linked to a photograph in all my life...


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As you can see, she's not too popular here.
That's one of the opposition parties chasing her in the C130. LOL


But something tells me the hightailer won't be caught...

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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:06 pm

PH-BFA,
I remember years ago when Queen Beatrix visited NZ, she used a Martinair 767.
Was nice to see here in Wellington.  Smile
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:13 pm

By the way there exist only two nations that carry their first people on the aircraft that a made in the same nation.
They are Russia Il-96, Il-62 and USA Boeing 747, 757

Do you know if there exist more.
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:22 pm

Well, France obviously with the A310. You might also include Germany in that list: Airbus being a part German company too, you could call all Airbus planes "Franco-(Hispano-Anglo-)German" - though of course the German Air Force´s 7 A310s were produced at Toulouse.

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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 10:15 pm

However, with ex-airline A340-200's available, don't be surprised that the national leaders for the United Kingdom, France and Germany switch to A342's within the next few years. The A342 is reasonably roomy for Presidential use and has the range to fly to most of the world without an additional fuel stop.

As for the nationalism issue in regards to the A342, nobody in Europe can complain since the A342 has wings manufactured in the UK, fuselage sections manufactured in Germany and final assembly done in France.
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 10:31 pm

Look at the roof of that Il-96...I wonder what all the communication stuff the got on board is...
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:24 pm

The 'Flugbereitschaft' of the German Luftwaffe (Air Force) operates two VIP Airbus A310-300 and six Canadair Challenger CL 601.

Regards,

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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:25 am


... but if the need arises, the Chancellor will also fly one of the five non-VIP A310s. Like last year, when one A310 VIP was in South Africa, one was in Latin America and "der Gerd" had to go to Washington on short notice.

BTW, I don´t see these A310s replaced any time soon - the "Bundesrechnungshof", i.e. the federal agency that controls government spending complained quite explicitly when the last two ex-LH A310 were acquired. PLus don´t forget the 707 were not phased out until the late nineties - so the A310s have lots of life in them.

Oh, and regarding leaders who fly planes manufactured in their own country: what about Canada and their Challengers?

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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:57 am

'I remember years ago when Queen Beatrix visited NZ, she used a Martinair 767'

That she used a Martinair 767 is quite strange, since the royal family (almost) only fly KLM planes on very long haul(they charter them or something). But it is quite likely though, because the queen is close friends with Martinair's founder, Martin Schroder.

regards,

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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Sun Apr 28, 2002 5:52 pm

That was about 15 years ago PH-BFA.  Smile
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:41 pm

All flights carrrying the Indian PM are
designated by the call-sign Air India One.

Domestically the Indian Prime Minister travels in a specially maintained Boeing 737-2A8 (to be replaced shortly by A319CJ). These 732's have once carried an Indian representative to Yugoslavia(during the war there) and flew non-stop all the way, so it must be specially modified in some way.

On long hauls, the Prime Minister travels on a specially modified 747-200 borrowed from Air India(these 742's are called VIP flights or some such).

In addition there are Mi-8 VIP tranport Helicopters from the IAF.
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:59 pm

Roy

would like to tell you that the aircraft borrowed from Air India for the indian PM's or prez's visits is refered to as the " AIR INDIA ONe" AI1.

AI
 
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RE: National Leaders And The Aircraft They Fly In

Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:29 pm

The lebanese prime minister, Rafic Hariri travels in his own modest b777-200.
He was in washington last week. Now he's in china.

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