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Denver Intl - Airlines/UA

Sat Sep 11, 1999 11:41 am

Currently Denver only has 4 international scheduled passenger airlines - Mexicana, Air Canada, Korean Air, and British Airways. Are any airlines of this catagory looking at starting service to Denver?

United has no flights out of North America from Denver. Will United/Is United looking at starting flights to other continents, Hawaii, and the Caribbean from Denver?
 
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RE: Denver Intl - Airlines/UA

Sat Sep 11, 1999 2:41 pm

UA isn't looking at DEN for any flights to/from HNL. I, (along with every other UA person) thought this would be a great idea, however management can get more money out of the pax. by taking them to SFO and LAX....As for the Caribbean, no...What is the situation with MEX from DEN? (I know this was seasonal, but is it still operating?)?

LHR is planned to start soon, and I have heard rumors of FRA as well from some DEN and SFO (international FA's and CSR's). If you are interested...the LHR flights will be flown by an all London-based FA crew...the pilots will be DEN-based, as the crew hotel rooms are much cheaper in DEN than in London!

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RE: Denver Intl - Airlines/UA

Sat Sep 11, 1999 11:10 pm

I believe the London-Denver flights are on hold. It is my understanding that United filed for this service when an open skies agreement between the US and UK seemed imminent, but it fell through nonetheless and now the flight is dead becuase UA can't obtain more LHR slots without the benefit of a bilateral agreement. But I'm sure the moment that UA gets another slot, DEN-LHR will be their first move. They really want to compete with British Airways into London. But for the moment all plans for DEN-LHR have stalled.

As for Mexico City service, I know for sure thats it's not opeating at the moment. Whether or not it's seasonal, I don't know. Now DEN may get MEX service from Mexicana. DIA execs have been begging them to fly DEN-MEX for quite some time. Not too long ago Mexicana said they would be pulling out of DEN altogether, but somehow someone convinced them to stay. Not only did they stay, but they added one stop service to MEX. Recently several upper management types from DIA flew on the one-stop flight to show the commitment DIA has towards getting MEX service. Mexicana has agreed that if loads are good enough, they will start non-stop flights between the two cities. But that wasn't too long ago so it will be a while before we see any changes.

As far as Frankfurt goes, that can't be far behind. With international traffic at DEN on the rise, and the Lufthansa/United partnership, DEN-FRA has got to be high on somebody's list.

All I can say for you DEN'ers is to be patient. DEN has never really been an international hub, and even now is just starting to develop. BA is doing great in DEN. With growth like that, airlines are bound to take notice eventually. But in an age like today where codeshares exist and costs are rising, it takes a lot more to convince an airline to start service than the excellent performance of one airline and propaganda from DIA management. It just takes time.

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Lear

Sun Sep 12, 1999 12:54 am

Man...I was so excited when DEN-MEX started up! I guess UA can make more money with the Mexicana thing...BTW...where is the one stop for Mexicana between DEN and MEX?

Thanks,

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FLY777UAL

Sun Sep 12, 1999 1:13 am

Depending on the day of the week, the flight will stop in Los Cabos, Mazatlan or Puerto Vallarta
 
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RE: FLY777UAL

Sun Sep 12, 1999 1:15 am

Yikes!

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RE: Denver Intl - Airlines/UA

Sun Sep 12, 1999 7:38 am

any traffic from denver to the carribean will go thru mia.there is probably no demand for that type of direct service
 
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RE: Lear

Sun Sep 12, 1999 8:12 am

I forgot to mention that UA did renew their exemption to fly DEN-MEX, so they are legally allowed to fly the route themselves. As to why they don't, you got me...it seems they want Denver travellers to earn themselves MEX flight!
Mexicana is a very strange airline. They announced they were going to drop out of DEN, but then not only announced they weren't going to drop DEN, but add two more routes. How's that for a 360?

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Air France

Mon Sep 13, 1999 12:07 am

Air France must be also considered as a potential airline to DEN Int'l.

They sent executives (to bring studies about population and to trade) and made landing tests with an A340.

They were courted by DIA, as well as LH.

CDG, a growing hub is Europe could be a possibility.

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RE: Air France

Mon Sep 13, 1999 11:44 am

Don't count on it.

Air France CEO Leo Spinetta was interviewed by the Denver Post (I believe that was the name of the paper) in which he said that Denver was "an attractive market but wouldn't be feasible as an Air France destination for at least two or three more years." So maybe somewhere down the road we'll see AF to DEN, but not for the time being. They have several cities, mainly Detroit, that are higher up on the priority list than DEN, and will see service first.

As far as Lufthansa goes, it is my understanding that they can't add more destinations in the US under accordance with the bilateral agreement between the US and Germany (please correct me if I am wrong). The only way they could get to DEN would be to fly via another US city, but apparently this idea has been vetoed by United Airlines, who doesn't want to compete with their partner airline on US domestic routes. So until a new bilateral or full open skies agreement is signed, DEN isn't an option for LH.

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Runway 16R/34L

Mon Sep 13, 1999 11:25 pm

An oft-cited obstacle to increased international service is DIA's lack of a suitable runway for "hot and high" widebody operations during the more profitable summer months. I know BA operated B747-400s on the LGW route this summer, though they may have had to reduce payloads to operate safely (does anyone know any more about this?). For flights to Asia, however, should there ever be a demand for it, the airport needs a longer strip.

The current 12,000-foot runways simply aren't long enough for fully loaded international flights: operators would have to impose payload restrictions, which would further cut into operating margins that will produce slim profits under the best scenarios. I understand that the City of Denver plans to build the 16,000-foot runway 16R/34L precisely to rectify this problem and as a show of commitment to international operators. It's a mystery to me, however, why they didn't build one of the current five runways with sufficient length when they opened the airport.
 
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RE: Denver Intl - Airlines/UA

Tue Sep 14, 1999 5:16 am

I thought UA had DEN-FRA flights. Did they stop those?
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FRA

Tue Sep 14, 1999 7:20 am

Never had them. UA is looking into the possibility of DEN-FRA, though.

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RE: Denver Intl - Airlines/UA

Tue Sep 14, 1999 8:32 am

I gurantee the first 777 flight was UA DEN-FRA. It was in Airliners Magazine! THey had at least 1!
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N766UA

Tue Sep 14, 1999 9:23 am

It had a stop in Washington (IAD)
 
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RE: N766UA

Tue Sep 14, 1999 10:20 am

The first revenue 777 flight? Or the first 777 flight from DEN?

(First 777 flight was LHR-IAD)

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Ok.I Get It

Wed Sep 15, 1999 3:32 am

Ok Ok. So it was DEN-IAD-FRA? OK. Do they still operate that route?
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RE: Ok.I Get It

Wed Sep 15, 1999 11:47 am

I don't get it...what was DEN-IAD-FRA??!!

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