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Most International Flights

Wed Apr 24, 2002 3:49 pm

Just a question that I was asked by a colleague who took part in a quiz last night.

Qn: Which 4 airlines (outside the US) have the most international routes?

The answer that the organisers gave were: LH, AF, BA and JL.

Can anyone verify if the organiser's answers are correct?
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RE: Most International Flights

Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:49 pm

I'd ask for the question to be clarified.

Does it mean, what foreign airlines flying to the USA have the most international flights ex USA

or

What carriers have the most international routes in their networks.
 
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RE: Most International Flights

Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:56 pm

Sorry if the question didn't come out clearly.

It's option 2...

Qn: Excluding US carriers, list 4 carriers that serve the most international destinations in their route network.

The organisers said JL, BA, LH and AF....is this correct?
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RE: Most International Flights

Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:27 pm

I don't think it's necessary to exclude US carriers. US is a huge domestic market, no need to go abroad as, say, KLM. British Airways and Lufthansa must be in that top 4.
 
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RE: Most International Flights

Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:30 pm

I would think LH, AF, BA and JL are correct, i'd think KLM should be in there too.

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RE: Most International Flights

Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:47 pm

but JL! I know they're a big airline but no. of international destinations... any of the European big airlines (KL, SK, etc) would serve more international destinations than JL! Justthink of all the small European countries that there is!

am i right?

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RE: Most International Flights

Thu Apr 25, 2002 12:58 am

LH serves about 130 international destinations.

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RE: Most International Flights

Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:05 am

I can offhand think of a dozen carriers with more international destinations than JL.
 
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RE: Most International Flights

Thu Apr 25, 2002 12:04 pm

Yep, I am also wondering why JL was in the list, since many European carriers fly to many more destinations than JL.

AM744: THe decision to exclude US carriers was made by the quiz organisers.

Thanks for the inputs so far.
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RE: Most International Flights

Thu Apr 25, 2002 12:42 pm

I would have to say either KLM would be in there. Where in the Netherlands can you realistically go from AMS that you can't by train or car? I think there may be some services, like Maastricht or something like that, but other than maybe 3 or so destinations that would be worth serving from AMS by KLM, all of KLMs flights are international.

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RE: Most International Flights

Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:51 pm

I would say the airlines with the biggest international route network are: British Airways, Lufthansa & Air France. The 'Big 3' as they say in Europe. They have a big presence in the US, Middle East, Africa & Asia. They also serve a large number of cities in Europe, although that may be changing with the rise of low-cost carriers. I think JAL & KLM are big too in this aspect, but probably not as extensive as BA, LH, & AF.

I'm sure there must be a list out there somewhere ranking airlines in terms of how big their route network is. It would be interesting to see which airline, including US airlines, has the largest route network.

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RE: Most International Flights

Thu Apr 25, 2002 11:21 pm

Maybe the reason they excluded US carriers is because no single US carrier has a dominant presence internationally.
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RE: Most International Flights

Thu Apr 25, 2002 11:45 pm

Most european carriers have a lot of international flights. Swiss for example only has few national flights from ZRH to GVA, EAD and LUG (vv). All others are international. They use 128 aircrafts most for international flights, I think they are also in the top list.
 
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RE: Most International Flights

Fri Apr 26, 2002 3:47 am

Where does SQ fit in? All of their flights are International.
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RE: Most International Flights

Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:10 am

SQ's network is relatively limited if you compare them with the European carriers. But within Asia, and if you exclude the domestic networks that most of the asian carriers have, then SQ has a relatively large international network.

Jaysit, from what I see, the American carriers have a very extensive domestic network, but rather limited international network. I guess demand for domestic travel is sufficient to keep them afloat.
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RE: Most International Flights

Fri Apr 26, 2002 10:33 pm

Some more info about destinations
(national + international together)

Swiss: 123!
Iberia: 98
Singapore Airlines: 90
Korean air: 60 (only international / in 2000)

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RE: Most International Flights

Sat Apr 27, 2002 3:05 am

AM744 says:
I don't think it's necessary to exclude US carriers. US is a huge domestic market, no need to go abroad as, say, KLM.


SQ772 said:
...from what I see, the American carriers have a very extensive domestic network, but rather limited international network...


I know American carriers were removed from the original restriction in the post. However, I have to correct some false assumptions.

There is a misconception that the US carriers are huge domestic airlines but with limited international service. This is false. The below figures are 3 years old and are from Aviation Daily. The US carriers were already top international players and have enhanced their international service since then.


INTERNATIONAL Kms, (not total Kms) 1999
Rank Airline Kilometers
1 British Airways 114,503
2 Lufthansa 80,420
3 Air France 74,599
4 United Airlines 73,944
5 Japan Airlines 65,571
6 Singapore Airlines 64,529
7 American Airlines 60,902
8 KLM 58,095
9 Northwest Airlines 52,887
10 Qantas 44,424
11 Cathay Pacific 41,435
12 Delta Air Lines 40,043
13 Thai Airways 35,057
14 Korean Air Lines 32,266
15 Swissair 31,565
16 Alitalia 29,574
17 Continental Airlines 29,539

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