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BA 777 Engines

Fri Apr 26, 2002 1:24 am

Much has been written on the fact BA were the launch customer for 777 GE engined aircraft and the fact that they later took 777s with Rolls Royce Trents. This was because thay had cancelled a 744 order with RB211s and to forfill the contract with RR they took the last ones with the Trents.

So they now have a 777 fleet with mixed engines. They are probably the only 777 operators with more than one type of engine.

BA are traditionally a Rolls Royce customer. What made them go for the GE engine in the first place?

If there are subsequent 777 purchases will they be GE or RR powered?

Do BA have a preference and are there any advantages to either of performance/reliability etc? A would know better than anyone the merits of either.
 
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RE: BA 777 Engines

Fri Apr 26, 2002 1:58 am

I don't know where this story about the later 777's only getting Trents because BA cancelled some 747 options comes from.
More like BA were not happy with some aspects of the GE90, they thought that R/R were the better bet because back in 1998 R/R had a Trent that could solve the problem of restrictions on some 777 flights.
Of course GE would go on to further develop the GE90, but at the time R/R was the better option, and the P&W engine was also evaluated.
GE got the contract because they offered to take BA's newly modernised South Wales engine overhaul facility off BA's hands, which BA now regret, according to managers in BA Engineering just a few years later.
It hasn't saved BA money, quite the opposite, a lot of experienced staff left after GE took over.
It was a shock choice, and did R/R much damage in the short term, but they clawed their way back on 777 in time.
 
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RE: BA 777 Engines

Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:13 am

GDB Thanks for your reply. I have read several times on this post the cancelled 744/77 engines to RR to compensate theory on this board.

So I guess any subsequent 777 BAs will be trent powered.

 
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RE: BA 777 Engines

Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:43 am

It would be likely that future 777's will have Trents, but not if BA eventually buy the new longer-ranged 777's, unless Boeing moves away from the GE exclusivity on these aircraft.
 
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RE: BA 777 Engines

Fri Apr 26, 2002 4:41 am

How many RR 777s and GE 777s does BA have at the moment? Did BA get any additional GE ones after they swithced over to RR?

Should BA regret the switch to RR, since I believe that GE is the only one to offer 115k lbs for future 777 developments? Will this limit BA's choice of operations long haul ops [not withstanding their 744's...], since RR does not offer the large engine for the heavy 777s?

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RE: BA 777 Engines

Fri Apr 26, 2002 4:56 am

i believe its 30 GE and 16RR... not entirely sure on the GE engines... its aboud 29/30... but i know for fact its 16RR 777s...
 
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RE: BA 777 Engines

Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:15 am

I remember reading that BA was contractually obliged to take six 777s with GEs after the switch to RR..


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RE: BA 777 Engines

Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:45 am

The early GE90 powered B777 had some grinding/rubbing problems that resulted in metal-shavings in the fuel tank. BA did not like that very much. I think that played a big part in the switch back to RR.
 
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RE: BA 777 Engines

Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:57 am

Hello,

In February 2001, Flight International outlined British Airways' interest in a Rolls-Royce-powered 777-300 (below the 319t scope close).

So, IMHO, if British Airways places a further order for 777-200ERs, this is likely to be for RR engines -- unless GE comes up with an appealing offer for its GE90-94B (which would be in line with BA's requirement for a more powerfull engine than the -92B).



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