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Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:27 pm


Cathay Pacific Airways has placed firm orders for three more Airbus A330-300s and three more Boeing 777-300s.

The oneworld alliance carrier says the aircraft are scheduled for delivery in 2003 and 2004. Rolls-Royce engines will power all six aircraft, as with its existing A330s and 777s.

“The decision to order the new aircraft reflects the company’s commitment to maintain the long-term growth of the airline,” Hong Kong’s main carrier says in a statement.

“Current conditions in the supply market also make this an attractive time to purchase new aircraft.”

Cathay’s fleet comprises 75 aircraft but five passenger aircraft and two freighters have been temporarily parked as a result of a drop in business following the 11 September terrorist attacks in the USA.

It says current plans call for four parked passenger aircraft and one freighter to be returned to service later this year.
 
Victor
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 3:10 pm

I just saw this news from cathaypacific.com
Really a good news.... !!!! 3 A330-300s and 3 B777-300s.... So happy to see Cathay Pacific order both airbus and boeing aircrafts. Smile
 
jesseycy
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:54 pm

Good news, good news! I guess they're going to boost regional services with these aircraft...... Maybe they're planning for China if they do get to fly in?
 
hkgspotter1
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 7:04 pm

WHAT !!...... Wow is all I can say. I gussed this topic ment they ordered 6 x A300F, not A330's and 773's.

This must be getting much better if they are also getting the stored aircraft back.

 
9V-SPK
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 7:10 pm

Wrong Hkspotter1, CX have placed orders for 3 Airbus and 3 Boeing planes so it's correct. CX will probably place orders for the freighters later.

Anyway, good news! CX really knows how to please passengers and both aircraft manufacters!
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 7:25 pm

9V-SPK,

Yes I know that, I just mean when I saw the topic I guessed it was the order for freighters.

Anyway like you said this is great news for Hong Kong aviation.
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 8:49 pm

I thought the same thing too Hkgspotter1!

Glad they have ordered these aircraft!

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B-HOP
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:11 pm

New planes! New jobs!

How are you HKGSpotter1? I hope to join spotters in Hong Kong again this summer

Regards
Kev
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:12 pm

Way to go CX! Will be nice to see some newer birds and tail numbers!
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:23 pm

Do we know which of the 5 aircraft that are parked will return to service?
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:09 am

Good to hear that CX is ordering more aircrafts. Wish that CX will continue to do well.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:27 am

Surplus of A/Cs....Hmm.....could you give us a B744 i.s.o. A343 on our route? We badly need one out over here!!!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:32 am

For CX to order the basic 777-300 model with RR Trent 800s and not the GE90-115B powered 777-300ER, tells me that they are staying loyal to Rolls Royce.
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 6:59 am

It would be very unlikely for CX to suddenly switch from RR to GE - maintenance and stuff would be a frightful nightmare if so.

Cathay must be Rolls Royce's most loyal airline customer... all of the aircraft in Cathay's fleet are powered by RR (except for the A340-300 where CFM is the only engine available, right?)
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 9:45 am

CX says the above purchase is designed for regional network only and it is now planning for the long-haul network. Cathay Pacific says it has now considering the B747-400XQLR and the A380. It may also purchase some second hand B747-400.

Stay tunned!

CX 4ever
 
duff
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:36 am

Who's going to fly them? I thought Cathay had a recruitment ban for pilots.
 
vywh
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 2:04 pm

Do you know how CX is going to use these 6 planes?CX is going to expand its routes or replace the old planes?
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 2:32 pm

Old planes??

Their oldest plane is a B747-400 that is only 12-13 years old!

It'd have one of the youngest fleets in the world, surely.

I can how they're going for a slow and steady retirement of the B747-400 fleet, with the replacement either to be the -400XQLR or the A380. The thing with CX is where could it possibly deploy the BigBird? LHR ok, LAX ok, YVR perhaps. I think it's too big for CX's current plans, perhaps the -400XQLR is a better idea, or more A340-600's. I think the new A330-300's will be used on regional routes to replace the A340-300's that are sometimes used on regionals. The B777-300's will be used to upgrade capacity. I can see the A340-300's to be used on expanding into new markets, since the aircraft is the smallest capacity aircraft they have.
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 6:11 pm

Great news.......

...the recruitment ban isn't really doing anything. There are more and more pilots joining.
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 6:17 pm

Would the A340-300s be from SQ?
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 6:22 pm

Possible 2nd hand 744 sources:
BA
Air Namibia
MAS
 
The Coachman
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 7:42 pm

BA would be the only possible really Donder10, RR engines and all. Unless they could get some MAS or Air Namib for dirt cheap.

I think they'd probably try to get the best price out of Boeing as launch customer rather than buy 2nd hand.
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:32 pm

This is great news!

In light of the recent aircraft order I don't think CX is planning to restart passenger flights into China, they haven't made an announcement on this matter yet. They'll probably deploy the new aircraft on their current Asian & Australian routes, or hopefully maybe even open new routes!!

I would have thought using smaller A320 or 737 aircraft on a shuttle service would be better for China, because it's harder to get the higher turnaround times using larger planes.

Hkg82.

 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:34 pm

I think BA would like to sell a handful of their 744s.I thought MAS still had several 744s parked.They still have 2 more to come I think and some more 772ERS so they will have excess capacity.
 
Guest

RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:53 pm

Isn't CX receiving some new RR Trent 500 powered A340-600s that are being leased? I think they ought to get rid of their GE/SNECMA CFM56-5C powered A340-300s for RR Trent powered A340-500s or 777-200ERs for their long range Pacific routes to the US West Coast.
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sun Apr 28, 2002 1:09 pm

BA seems to want to get rid of some surplus 744's and MAS does have some surplus, but MH's are GE-engined. They could do a QF and buy some 'ugly duckling' 744's but it makes no sense because CX doesn't already operate CF6-80 powered aircraft like QF already did when it bought 3 GE-powered 744's (they already had GE powered 763's). I suspect that they would rather buy BA stock since they're more likely to have flown less cycles than the MH's ones considering that BA mostly use them for long-range flights of 10 hrs+. Then again, as I said, if CX can get some for very, very cheap, then they may even try the GE powered 744.

TEDSKI, can you explain why they should get rid of those 343's? They serve the airline well, they wouldn't be adding to the fleet if they weren't. They're good for low-density routes to Europe, where I can see them expanding, MXP perhaps or a return to ZRH. They're also good for long-range North American routes where there is less demand due to season and traffic density doesn't warrant a 744. The operating costs of the A340-500 are higher than the A340-300 because not only are the engines bigger and there is more fuel capacity, but also there is extra crew needed. Although this can be offset by the extra pax that the A340-500 can carry, I think CX still considers them too expensive, they will wait, and since they have a foot in both Boeing and Airbus camps, they will them off in about 5 years time and try to get an A340-300 replacement. Or try to do a QF and get the A340-500's for very cheap with a combined A380-800 deal...

A lot of this is speculation. However, my point is that getting rid of aircraft just because they are the only planes with GE/SNECMA CFM56-5C engines is not a logical reason to get rid of an aircraft that serves CX very, very well.
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sun Apr 28, 2002 1:52 pm

I saw an article about this somewhere myself... Good news for CX!!!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Sun Apr 28, 2002 1:55 pm

The press release said that Cathay had currently 19 A330-300s in their fleet.

I thought they had 20: running HLA through HLT.

I know HLK is in storage, but the release also said they had 15 A340s (HXA through HXO even though XF and XH are stored at Avalon).
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:33 pm

I personally think that it's a good timing because of the depressed prices of these planes right now, but the HK i-mail thinks otherwise!

http://hk-imail.singtao.com/inews/public/article_v.cfm?articleid=32443&intcatid=5

Pacific
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:44 pm

I strongly disagree with that editorial. 911 was but a small blip on the long-term fleet plan of most airlines. It's only been just over a half year since 911 and things are already picking up, as they will continue to do. It is the airline that does not forsee the future demand and plan for it that will lose out. It happened to CX before and they don't want to be caught out this time.

The market is depressed and aircraft are cheap at the moment. It is the best time to buy. Whoever wrote the editorial obviously doesn't understand the aviation market. These new aircraft are due for delivery starting the end of next year and I highly doubt that 911 will have any effect on things by then.

Also, the majority of the stored aircraft, if not all of them will be back in service by the time these new aircraft are delivered. This has already been said by official press releases. I really don't know where iMail gets it's news from.
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Tue Apr 30, 2002 1:38 am

For flying to US West Coast, using A340 is a much better choice than 777200ER. Most logical and reasonable fact being A340 is 4engined and 772 is a 2 engined jet. ETOPS problem dont exist for A340.
 
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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Tue Apr 30, 2002 10:46 am

congrads, Cathay.

CX829, if I can decide, I would get A340-500 for our route i.s.o. 744.
At least, newer.

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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:46 pm

Andrewtang,

"For flying to US West Coast, using A340 is a much better choice than 777200ER. Most logical and reasonable fact being A340 is 4engined and 772 is a 2 engined jet. ETOPS problem dont exist for A340."

And what exactly is the ETOPS "problem"? With the standard 180-min. ETOPS, CX would be able to fly the same routes that they currently do with their A343's. Plus, they would gain the improved maintanence costs of the twin-engined 777, as well as the 10% capacity increase over the quad-jet.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that CX should dump the A343 in favor of the 772ER. Their extensive fleet of both the quad and the A333 would nearly negate the benefits of operating the 772ER over the A343. However, there is no ETOPS "problem" when operating Transpacific flights unless it is Australia-South America.

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RE: Cathay Orders 6 Aircraft

Wed May 01, 2002 3:33 am

The primary reason why CX has such a large A330-300 fleet is simple: there were built as L1011 replacements, and they have served very well on CX's intra-Asian routes.

CX's 777-300 fleet will primarily be used on higher-capacity intra-Asian flights on routes such as HKG-KIX/NRT and HKG-SIN. HKG-Japan is pretty popular because of the large amount of Japanese pleasure/business traffic to HKG and the fact that there are surprisingly large ex-patriate Chinese communities in Japan. My family had a close friend (who died in 1996) that flew so much between Hong Kong and Tokyo that he had the equivalent of AA's Plantinum frequent-flyer membership status on both CX and JL!

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