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Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:09 am

Just heard about it on FOX29 news. A plane was leaving around 6 or so and it was stopped. Just caught a quick blurb about it. Anybody know what happened?
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:11 am

apparently the plane was on its way to orlando when it turned around...something about 4 arab men and a security breach. my sister woke me up to tell me about it and i hopped on to see if anyone heard anything else.
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:34 am

wb17 reports: US734 in old colors flight 335 PHL-MCO. Apparently there were 5 arabs on board, and something suspicious happened. No one was injured, and the flight turned back to PHL escorted by F16s.
 
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:12 pm

In case anyone still wants more info (not that this has much more ...):


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20020429/D7J6C7GO0.html
 
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:23 pm

Oh no! Olive-skinned people!!! Ground all jets!!!


When is this all gonna end.....


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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Mon Apr 29, 2002 2:34 pm

Just because a person is an Arab or dressed different from most people, doesn't mean that he or she is going to highjack a plane!!! Pissed
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Mon Apr 29, 2002 2:41 pm

You can't blame people about getting a little nervous when arab people are on an airplane. I know it's not PC to think this way but it's the way it is! The attacks on 9/11 were done by arab people so who can blame someone if they get edgy? I know it is not right to pick on them and think they are the guilty ones bc. other groups of people conduct terrorist activities..but still the facts tell us lots.

 
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:17 pm

You know, I see it like this.

While the intent is not to PURPOSELY single out Arabs, it's all a part of paranoia that makes people more suspicious.

(A similar comparison/example..I think anyway). I was attacked/mugged by 4 latinos 3 YEARS ago in a prefectly safe area of town. Yet, 3 YEARS later, I STILL fear many latinos (nothing prejudiced meant here!!!!) and am very suspicious and nervous when around them, yet many of my friends ARE Latino. Just a natural reaction.

Our country was savagely attacked by 19 men of ARAB descent who killed with no care for completely innocent people (as INNOCENT AS ANY PERSON ON THIS PLANET), so I think we have every "right" to be a little more cautious and maybe a little more "paranoid" about a person of Arab descent.

Hopefully, the time will pass, but you know what? I will always have lingering suspicions of latinos in general, but I'll get over the general paranoia.

Human nature, and we as a country, too, will get over it in time. But don't insult us, either.
 
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:20 pm

This story made the top of the 11pm news here in Los Angeles. The FBI still is not saying anything.
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:34 pm

Human nature, and we as a country, too, will get over it in time. But don't insult us, either.

I'm not trying to insult anyone. But I just believe that anyone who looks suspicious on board a plane should be considered a threat (not just arabs)
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:51 pm

personally, i do hesitate to post my thoughts in such a delicate discussion since i don´t want to be misunderstood and thus having my thoughts misconcieved.

i´m certainly against any kind of discrimination, race, skin, whatever, and i´m disgusted by any case, especially during the last months, in which Arab people were faced with hatred and when people tended to behave unfriendly towards Arab people.
i myself have always tried to be as friendly as possible to any Arab man or woman i have encountered to show that there are people which don´t mistrust these people due to their origin, their religion or whatever.

and thus, i´m sorry for many Arab people which may not be treated as well as they certainly deserve, especially in the USA. this is not to say that the USA is an unfriendly or unwelcomg place, which is definitively not the case, but due to last year´s atrocities this nation behaves very cautiously in respect to many Arab people since it were Arab people who committed this horrible attack.
thus, it is natural that many American folks feel uncomfortable when they´re close to (and especially on an airplane with) Arab people which behave strangely or suspiciously. (i don´t know if that was the case in this incident, i´ve only read this threat and no additional news info)
unfortunately, this often leads to conclusions which may brandmark these Arab people as terrorists or criminals and the police and the FBI and whoever is called to the scene.

i´m truly sorry for any unjustified inconvenience many Arab people encounter, in the USA and elsewhere, but imho, one should not direct its anger towards the USA (agreed, many people should act more cautiously and wiser when suspecting Arab people) but towards the terrorists which crashed the aircraft.

if they hadn´t crashed the airplanes into the WTC there would be no additional mistrust towards Arab people than before.
it´s just natural that many people behave cautiously towards Arab people, but to the most extent it is not their fault, it is just human.
i reiterate, if it weren´t for those hijackers, we would not have these problems.

there are certainly still numerous cases in which Arab people are treated unjust and face unjustified hatred by single individuals, and that is the same with many foreign people here in Germany, as it is in the USA and all over the world, and that is totally unacceptable.

however, if one wants to blame someone for behaving cautiously towards Arabs, one should blame the terrorists.

thank you

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RE: Hkspotter1

Mon Apr 29, 2002 9:01 pm

You guys are idiots.

Think about the times you don't hear about a plane with arab-appearing people onboard being grounded.

Thousands of Middle-Eastern appearing people fly within the U.S. and I hear about something once a month.
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:35 am

Hmmm... let's think here. who flew the planes into the WTC and Pentagon and PA? Arab terrorists. Now, who would be more likely to do it again. A white man, or terrorist arab? It's common sense people. The US has gotten way too politically and racially correct. You bet if I saw 4 arab men traveling together and something suspicious was suspected, I would ground the plane. I would also probably ground the plane if 4 white men were together on a plane and something suspicious was suspected. But give me a break about how we're treating arabs unfairly in the US.

It's a no win situation for the US. Fine, we stop certain arabs at the airports, and they proclaim that they are being profiled. Yet, when an arab hijacks a plane, it the US' fault for not having adequate security. It reminds me very much of the racial situations in the US. Either way, the accused lose. It's very unfair.

The way I put this, it might sound that I'm a complete racist, but I'm really not. I'm thinking more about the safety of our country than what people of certain races think. Political and racial correctness only leads to way too many problems, but unfortunately our legal system allows for it, and it will continue, and I don't see any solution for a long time. Is it fair that a black person, just as qualified as I am (with same SAT's, grades, and extra-curricular activities) has a better chance of getting into a college that I do, just so that college can fill a quota? Some of my black friends, who aren't any "smarter" than me, have already been nominated for several scholarships. This sounds racist. Sorry I just had to vent.
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2002 2:39 am

According to CNN, the 5 Arabs bought one-way tickets with cash, and were behaving strangely on the plane. The Air Marshal noticed some of them talking to themselves. Could it be that the Arabs were trying to get attention drawn to them by behaving suspiciously?
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:22 am

From Eyewitness News at noon:
Air National Guards (or whoever is doing security at the airport) spotted the men "checking out the area" around the gate the aircraft was departing from, which made them suspicious, at 5:15pm. At 6:03pm the aircraft taxied out to the runway and was aloud to take off at 6:23pm. 1/2 hour later the aircraft was turned around and landed in Philadelphia where they sat for 2 hours before the FBI boarded the plane. The men were deplaned and questioned. The guards said they were unable to gain acceptance to board the aircraft while it sat at the gate and detain the men. The FBI has not commented apparently.
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:36 am

Steering the discussion away from a potentially ugly tone, I have a question:

Do airlines requested/required to divert under authority of federal marshalls/government have to eat the cost of the diversion? Is there a fund set up to reimburse them? Are lawyers typically the next step?

Just curious...
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:55 am

>>>Do airlines requested/required to divert under authority of federal marshalls/government have to eat the cost of the diversion? Is there a fund set up to reimburse them? Are lawyers typically the next step?

Damn good question, and one (I think) the industry will be looking towards this incident as a precedent.

While we're at it, let's not forget the costs for any overweight landing inspection, delays to other flights due to aircraft swaps, and hotel expenses for anyone who misses a connection or otherwise gets stranded. How about if airport conditions (braking action, low viz, etc.) preclude a safe return and an accident/incident results?

Wonder if FBI went through USAirways Flight Control in PIT, or they just told the PHL tower "Simon sez come back to the airport" or some such thing.

Since 9/11, we're all in new territory....
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Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:12 am

The way I put this, it might sound that I'm a complete racist, but I'm really not. I'm thinking more about the safety of our country than what people of certain races think. Political and racial correctness only leads to way too many problems, but unfortunately our legal system allows for it, and it will continue, and I don't see any solution for a long time. Is it fair that a black person, just as qualified as I am (with same SAT's, grades, and extra-curricular activities) has a better chance of getting into a college that I do, just so that college can fill a quota? Some of my black friends, who aren't any "smarter" than me, have already been nominated for several scholarships. This sounds racist. Sorry I just had to vent.

Maybe because they worked harder? Ever think about that? Just because you are white doesn't garantee a job or a promotion or even a scholarship. You have to work for it. I hate when people complain that minorities are at an advantage when they are clearly not. AA would not be needed in the first place if people mainly whites did not discriminate. It happened in the pass and is happening today. So dont give us that nonsense.
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Tue Apr 30, 2002 10:58 am

Worked harder or not, colleges don't see this when they look at your transcript. It's clearly to fill a quota, and any college counselor, high school teacher, and high school counselor will tell you this. I have one of the best viewpoints on this. As with you David B. I live in NYC. I don't know which borough you live in, but I go to school in the Bronx, where the population is mostly black and latino, and I will tell you, even in my school, where black and latino make up over 1/2 the student body, counselors will admit that black kids, just as competent as white kids, have a better shot at getting into the same college. I've worked harder than many black people, yet they have received letters from pristine academies suggesting them to come take a visit (sometimes paid), with SAT scores lower than mine, and lower grades than mine. Black kids in my school, who are my friends, will even admit to getting into colleges they wouldn't have if they were white.

Now this is not to say that all black people are stupid and get their way into college because they're black. I mean, we have many competent black leaders in our country (Colin Powell for an example). There are a lot of smarter black people out there than white people (this can be obviously seen in my school as well). Many people such as Doug Traynor (for an aviation example) I believe have worked very hard to get where they're now, and they deserved and will deserve everything they get/got. I just find some stuff unfair, but oh well that's life.
 
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Tue Apr 30, 2002 11:23 am

Doug Traynor? Who's he?  Smile

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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Tue Apr 30, 2002 11:35 am

for now on there will be racial profiling.

people dont like it but it will happen, when arabs stop hijacking airplanes we might not feel this way.

how many times have you heard a southern guy with a thick southern accent and say i bet he's racist.

dont tell me we dont get nervous when a group of arabs board a plane. that would make us nieve.

the piont i am trying to make is we judge people pretty quick now a days. people are nervous when arabs board planes. like the arab guy who loves to plane spot but wonders why people look at him funny at the edge of a runway.

this is a monster we created.




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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:30 pm

I just heard about 20 minutes ago on FOX 5 news that the plane made a turn around and was excorted by F16's due to suspicious activities by Middle Eastern men who were talking quietly to themselves. Passengers around these men reported this suspicious activity to the flight crew and they made a turn around to PHL.
 
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RE: Plane On The Ground In PHL, W/FBI Around It

Tue Apr 30, 2002 9:19 pm

Sorry bout that Doug!

And UAL777, you're right, it is a monster we created, based on our leniant legal system.