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Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:10 pm

I don't know about you, but I've come to associate the A330 with cheap charter carriers (most with ugly colour schemes).

It seems like every time I see a picture of an A330, it's some new European charter.

I guess it means the plane is successful since it's with so many majors and so many oddballs......but still.

When I think of the A330, I think of something disgustingly ugly like Eidelweiss.


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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:14 pm

Delsey/ VG Airlines is not a charter airline.
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:17 pm

How about all the 737s that are with charter carriers, crappy airlines with bad safety records, ugly schemes etc...? Do you dislike those too?

I really like the Edelweiss scheme. I think it's really nice.
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:19 pm

I think you'll be one of very few who don't like the Edelweiss colors...

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:21 pm

I always see Edelweiss A330's at ZRH....always found them to be a rather nice livery....
I dont think that a real reason to dislike the A330  Smile.....think of the hundreds of A330's operating for so many mainstream airlines...its actually the backbone for many carriers and has proven to be a very sucessful plane by all measures...it has to a great extent taken the B767 market by storm...personally i think its a very attractive plane also...
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:23 pm

Another smart 16-20 year old Amercian.

So all A330's fly for crappy charter carriers ??

Cathay Pacific
DragonAir
Korean Air
Philippine Airlines
Thai
Malaysian
US Airways
Qantas (soon)
KLM (soon)
SWISS
Emirates
Gulfair
Khalifa
Air France
TAM
British Midland
SAS (soon)


etc.....

Does the 747-400 suck because it's flown in some bad schemes  Nuts  Nuts  Nuts
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:24 pm

you are the first person I have ever heard of that even wnet so far as saying they didn't think the Edelweiss colours were great, not to mention ugly. Swissair flew them and Swiss flies them... as does AF. It shows it is a great plane. A very well rounded plane.

Also I think the VG colours (not a charter) look very nice. great job air orange.
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 4:01 pm

SriLankan Airlines flies them too...!
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 4:03 pm

so does USair and Air Canada
 
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Ridiculous Post

Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:09 pm

When I think of the A330 I associate it with world class airlines like Emirates (largest operator of A332), Cathay (largest operator of A333), Swiss, Thai Airways, Air France, Austrian, bmi, Gulf Air, TAM, US Airways, Air Canada. Not to forget other scheduled carriers.


I have never seen such a ridiculous post, NBC.


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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:43 pm

My only beef with the A330 (and all Airbuses, actually) is that their high floor level (in order to provide more space for cargo) ensures that the roofline slopes inward drastically in the cabin. Which means, if you in an outboard toilet, and are a male higher than 5 feet tall, you pretty much have to be a contortionist to take a piss!

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 6:08 pm

I had the pleasure of parking up alongside the Edelweiss A330 in Puerto Plata last Summer, and I must say I think it is the best looking livery I have seen.

I have always liked the look of it in photos, but in the flesh it's quite an impressive sight.
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 6:22 pm

The Edelweiss livery indeed is a great livery which attracts attention immediately. I have to agree with the rest that NBC's arguments are based on nothing. The A330 is a good aircraft, taking over the 767 market if Boeing does not come up with something new. Let us discuss good topics. Disliking an aircaft because of its livery, is pure BS.
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 6:52 pm

Premiair/Airtours colors are very nice for an charter airline! That new MyTravel colors is not my taste.
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 7:37 pm

I can't quite comprehend why someone dislikes an aircraft type because of some of its airline users.
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Is there a lack of logical thinking on MY side or...?
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 7:50 pm

I am an avid Boeing fan, but find the A330 to be a great airliner!!

Are Premiair and AirTours related? It seems like they have the same livery, can anyone explain please?

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:03 pm

I'm different than you guys are, I don't judge a plane by its performance or its seat pitch, I just love the way it looks. With the A330, it's already difficult enough (in my mind) for a colour scheme to look good on it....I find that wings don't really go with the aircraft....their too flimsy and long. I find it looks its worst at take-off or landing when its wings are all stickin' up in the air.

Edeilweiss may be different and grabs your attention, BUT it's SO UGLY! It's too busy for me. I've never bee a fan of billboard titles.

and I'm Canadian.....ACTUALLY!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:29 pm

Well if I wanted to put my foot in it I would say......

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:30 pm

I like the Edelweiss scheme! Smile/happy/getting dizzy I don't dislike the A330 either!! I associate it with airlines such as Emirates and Cathay.

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:46 pm

I think everything is said to this topic, but when you judge an aircraft from how it looks, the 330-200 is one of the most elegant. This hudge wingspan in comparison to the length of the fuselage together with its winglets makes it absolutly elegant (like an eagle). I think it is, at the moment the only airliner, which has a larger wingspan then length (60.30 meters wingspan to 58.37 meters overall length).
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 9:43 pm

I saw that Edelweiss aircraft last summer in Varadaro. Do they have more than one paint scheme on there 330's? We paid the crew a compliment on the colors.
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RE: Vref

Mon Apr 29, 2002 9:50 pm

Edelweiss has only one 330 and because of this only one paint scheme, the same they have on their three 320.
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:00 pm

Cheap charter airlines??? Did you know SNBA has started their operations with A332 since Friday? As far as I know SNBA isn't a charter company. And I also think the colours are quite good!

I think the A330 in general is a great plane. In my opinion one of the best.

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:24 pm

I am a big Boeing fan. The A330-300 is my least favorite widebody aircraft. But strangely I think the A330-200 in Air France colors is an outstanding looking airplane. It is aesthetically pleasing.
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:52 pm

I think the A330 is best of the Airbus line--very versatile.

However, I too, think the Edelweiss livery is one of the wost out there...
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:57 pm

I don't know about you, but I've come to associate the A330 with cheap charter carriers (most with ugly colour schemes).

Look at it this way, those "cheap charter carriers" allow many people to travel who otherwise might not be able to afford to.
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:58 pm

ZRH said it very well: the long and elegant wings, in combination with the also elegant fuselage make the A332 an outstanding looking aircraft.

There are some other aircraft with a longer wingspan, than fuselage length:

  • A318 (31.40m long, 34.10m wide)

  • A319 (33.84m long, 34.10m wide)

  • A340-200 (59.40m long, 60.30m wide)

  • B737-600 (31.20m long, 34.30m wide)

  • B737-700 (33.60m long, 34.30m wide)

  • B777-200LR (63.7m long, 64.80m wide)

  • L1011-500 (50.04m long, 50.09m wide)



More?

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:27 pm

The A330 is one of the most elegant aircraft in the world and the Eldelweiss paint is absolutley beautiful. dont know what your talking about NBC News 1
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:31 pm

"I don't judge a plane by its performance or its seat pitch, I just love the way it looks." <<<<<<< OH MY GOD>>>>>>> So is that mean you don't judge a car by its performance or its seat pitch and you just love the way it looks??????? I think you screw everyone up if you common such unmature reasons about the A330!

NBC: Did you ever saw a wide-body aircraft before?

Compare to UK or Australia.... etc. Canadian teenagers
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:31 pm

Glider,

SNBA started operations with the A330-300 not the A330-200. But, like you all know, Sabena operated the A330-200. That aircraft together with sabena's final colorsheme was one of the most beautiful airplanes you could spot.

NBC News1,

Have you ever seen the aircraft in real? Most of the so called ugly charter colors have sister planes from a different kind. Air Transat has the L1011 and the 757, Air JMC the A320, Canada 3000 the A310, Airtours the DC10 and the 767, Air luxor the 737 (I think), Edelweis Air the MD80,...
Do you dislike all these aircraft?
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:40 pm

I agree with others, the A330 is definately the most graceful and beautiful airliner flying today!


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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:45 pm

Well, judging by your age in your profile, it is highly unlikely that you have ever flown on all of the airlines that you so "expertly" trash.

Skyservice for one!!!! I work for Skyservice. Firstly, we are not European and secondly, we have a top notch livery, and every one that sees it says so.

It appears to me that you "took" pictures of as many 330's ( listed under charter) from the forum and posted them to accompany your topic.

Tell me something - is it only airlines that have 330's in their fleet that you are critiquing the paint schemes for?

Why don't you broaden your horizons and give us your "airline fashion review" for other type aircraft too???
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:50 pm

I think NBC dislike ALL KIND of aircrafts, because all kind of aircraft operate for charter.

Here are some of the best aircraft operate for charter:

B747 - European AirCharter
B767 - Britannia Airways
B777 - Air Europe
A340 - Canada 3000
A330 - Monarch Airlines
MD-11 - World Airways
L1011 - ATA American Trans Air

 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:05 am

I agree with UDO, this is a ridiculous post. Whats wrong about having so many A330s in a charter airline.

Think about all the prestigious airlines that operate the A330 (Aer Lingus, Air Canada, Air France, Austrian Airlines, British Midland, Cathay Pacific, Garuda Indonesia, Korean Airlines, Malaysian, Thai Airlines and the list goes on and on.)

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:17 am

I can kind of understand what NBC News1 is talking about.

The reason why the A330-200 is very popular with European charter airlines is the fact that the 6,000+ nautical mile range makes it perfect for longer-range charter flights across the Atlantic or sometimes into eastern Asia. I can see a large number of charter-airline A332's flying into MCO and MIA from Europe year-round.
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:27 am

I think you will find he's smoking something..........
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:44 am

I think the 330 looks really cheap in most of those charter liveries. A perfect example:


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Of course those liveries will make any aircraft look cheap, but I don't know why, the 330 looks worse than other planes with the same schemes. I also think it looks pretty bad in the new Swiss scheme.

Not that it's an ugly plane - I think it looks sweet in Aer Lingus, US Air, Emirates schemes. But then someone goes and does this:


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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:47 am

Personally i Love A330s and the aircraft looks good in almost every scheme so far . This is a strange topic if you ask me . How can you dislike the aircraft because of those liveries ?

A case for X-files .


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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:50 am

I find that wings don't really go with the aircraft....their too flimsy and long. I find it looks its worst at take-off or landing when its wings are all stickin' up in the air.



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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:54 am

Eidelweiss a/c are beautiful. You find A330's to have poor color schemes, flying for second rate charter carriers? I find posts like yours to be ignorant and juvenile. Posts like this are foolish.

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 3:58 am

Hkniceguy: I think if you compare teenagers all over the world you'll find that they all know nothing. And claim to know everything.

And for the record I think the A330 is one of the best looking planes in the sky. Hey NBC, ever seen the 'wings stickin' up in the air' on the 777? 747? A340? Give me a break man!
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:02 am

The A330 has to be the best selling aircraft and most popular in the market these days, especially after september 11th, the A330 has opened new doors for new airlines across the globe. Many schedualed airlines operate the A330 along with charters. It is a great aircraft, just because many charters operate the 330, doesnt mean you should dislike it.

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:11 am

While we are on the topic of the A330 and paint jobs. I must voice my view on the British Midland scheme looking outstanding on the A330 as with Cathay Pacific! I do think its strange to dislike an aircraft itself just becuase of paint jobs that you dont care for. I always enjoy watching that plane!
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:29 am

How about all the 737s that are with charter carriers, crappy airlines with bad safety records, ugly schemes etc...? Do you dislike those too?

Would you care to explain your comments in bold with facts?!?!


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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:31 am

HKniceguy, you're wrong. Judging by your list, he must be an A340 fan: Canada 3000 doesn't exist anymore  Smile/happy/getting dizzy and I don't remember another A340 charter operator right now.

As for the Edelweiss: simply gorgeous!!  Love  Wow!

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:34 am

It would be the same, if I said that I dislike the 777 because it looks like a fat, plump sausage. But it is a very good aircraft as well, perhapps not very elegant. I know from what I talk, I have flown both.

BTW I love the Swiss livery much better than the former Swissair livery on the A 330:

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:38 am

Is Air Lib still a charter airline?
They operate A340s Gerado.
 
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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:58 am

how can you bash a guy for his opinion?
if he dislikes the a330, who cares.
the A330 looks good in many liverys and some he mentioned i thought do look pretty bad.

cx flyboy braught up a good point, what about the 737's? i personaly dont like the 737's. i have to work the 737's and i dont like to fly them or load bags on them.

i think US AIRWAYS looks awesome in the A330.

but dont take it so hard, it is only one mans opinion.



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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 5:06 am

Hmm.. so Edelweiss is a "cheap Charter carrier" ?

I am not Swiss myself, so I consider myself unbiased, but I would just suggest that you once fly Edelweiss and then compare with those great scheduled carriers like Air Canada or AA or Northwest etc.. then I think you would reconsider your word "cheap".

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RE: Because Of This, I Dislike The A330

Tue Apr 30, 2002 5:09 am

I love how we all go opinion bashing. It's his OPINION fellas. So, let him have it. Just like some of the posters who have attacked him have opinions also. As for the A330, it is a fine aircraft and performs its duties superbly. As for Edelweiss's current livery, it is god awful.
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