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America West In YEG

Wed May 01, 2002 11:59 am

America West Will be Flying to Edmonton In a Couple of months As America West Express. They Will Fly CRJs on this route.. This Information is from a Reliable Source.

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RE: America West In YEG

Wed May 01, 2002 12:30 pm

PHX-YEG on a CRJ... oh my god... that is painfully long. DEN-YEG already blocks in at over 2.5 hours. PHX-YEG must be over 3.5 hours. Is this possible without taking serious weight restrictions?
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RE: America West In YEG

Wed May 01, 2002 12:38 pm

Will it be with CRJ-200's or CRJ-700's? I would think that on a flight that long, it would be one of the first routes to see a CRJ-700.
 
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RE: America West In YEG

Wed May 01, 2002 12:51 pm

I think it could be one of the CRJ-700. Im not sure though

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RE: America West In YEG

Wed May 01, 2002 1:26 pm

Calgary would make more sense initially. What is this "Reliable Source"?
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RE: America West In YEG

Wed May 01, 2002 1:44 pm

I should hope they would use the CRJ-700, and I hope they offer inflight service (meals) if they actually do decide to offer the route. In comparison to other ultra-long routes offered by RJs....


YEG-PHX 1374 mi - sends shivers down my spine
PVD-MSP 1116 mi (used to be offered by Express CRJs for NW)
LGA-XNA 1146 mi (AA Eagle route - ERJ-135)
JAX-MSP 1173 mi (NW Airlink - Express CRJ route)

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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 1:51 am

CRJ's are bad, and I hope that HP pilots can get a good scope clause in their next contract that will help eliminate some of the RJ use. Airlines are going way overboard on the use of RJ's. They need to grow the right way using mainline jets with mainline employees.
 
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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 2:02 am

AWA22 ... CRJ's are excellent for developing new markets. AWA would probably never consider such a route using A319, the investment is too big and the immidiate earning potential too low. However using CRJ's you are building up a customer base and brand knowledge that may open for a 'real' AWA flight later should the passenger load justify it.
So looking a little bit long term this benefits also HP pilots, not just the company
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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 3:22 am

Where is your source? Does Americia west have any other cities in Canada in the workds to serve?
I would think YYC would be well before YEG. But you never know.
please inform me.

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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 3:43 am

Ibizajet A330,

I hope your source is "reliable" enough. I haven't seen anything in HP's site about any new service to Canadian destinations. I find it weird that YEG would get any new transborder service before YYC does. Usually it's the other way around, or not at all.

I've been on a CRJ (AC YYZ-YUL) once before, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. But that was only an hour-long flight.

Matthew,

What's the longest route you've ever been on in a CRJ? And how comfortable was it (or uncomfortable, given how you cringe at the thought of a YEG-PHX route)?
 
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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 5:13 am

A couple of notes:

1. They also have a hub in Las Vegas so maybe the route wold be YEG-LAS, not Phoenix. Would make it a littl shorter. (1192 vs 1374 miles). That puts it into RJ range (barely). AA is flying DFW-BOI in an RJ (1272 miles)

2. Air Canada flies (or flew - not sure if they discontinued it or not already) YYC-Phoenix and maybe LAS too. AW would have to compete against that whereas they would have YEG to themselves.

3. That's still a very long haul in an RJ.

4. I doubt YEG can support this route.

 
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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 6:49 am

"PVD-MSP 1116 mi (used to be offered by Express CRJs for NW)"

This route is still being flown with 1 daily CRJ.
 
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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 10:52 am

Last week I flew LAS-CIN on a B-757 and then CIN-YUL on a Canadair RJ.

The RJ was much, and I mean much more comfortable than the Boeing where I sat in row 25 (in front of the exit aisle) and could not recline my seat. Of course the person in front of me was on max recline for the whole trip.

The RJ (50 pax) was not only more spacious for me but it enplaned, deplaned and delivered the baggage much more quickly than the B-757 (200 pax).

I was more than pleasantly surprised with the RJ.
 
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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 11:16 am

Air Canada has discontinued the flight from YYC to LAS
for a few months, it should resume in the fall
on A320 equipment
 
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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 11:18 am

My reliable source is from a person who Works At YEG


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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 1:28 pm

ORD-JAX is the longest CRJ route I've flown. It was about 2 hours long. I pulled up the block time on Air Canada's PHX-YYC route, and it was about 3hrs 5mins, so PHX-YEG would be about 3hrs 30mins, which is a little to long in my mind. Such long flights on the RJs get boring - no entertainment, and usually no meal service. NW changed eqpt on MSP-PVD-MSP to A319s (2 daily) from April 7.
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RE: America West In YEG

Thu May 02, 2002 2:21 pm

You can be flying on a much bigger plane and get no entertainment and no meal service... So CRJ or not, I think that point is irrelevant. You can be on an AA MD-80 on ORD-PHX for example... 3 and a half hours... no movie, no audio and a bistro bag.

I've flown PHX-EUG-PHX... which tops out a little over 2 hours and I thought it was fine. The CRJ is a much more spacious aircraft than you would think... even with somebody sitting next to you. Plus it is far quieter in the cabin than any mainline jet I have flown on. If the demand for n/s service from YEG to PHX is there... then it will do well (remember I did say IF). And I believe on longer flights they will need to provision some sort of meal... probably cold stuff (like CO's famously small turkey or ham sandwiches). As for entertainment, that is what the inflight magazine is for.
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RE: America West In YEG

Fri May 03, 2002 3:30 am

A Americia West CRJ YEG-LAS would make sense as its only about a 2.5 hour flight and alot of AW's connections take place in LAS but the majority take place in the PHX hub. Does anyone else know if AW is attempting to compete with NW in their expansion to Canada? Also do they have any other cities they are looknig at besides YEG?

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RE: America West In YEG

Fri May 03, 2002 3:48 am

I would really doubt that this route would be going to YEG. Just doesn't seem to make sense to myself, but I could be wrong.

The longest RJ flight I had was from SLC-YYC and that was more than long enough for my liking. I recently flew the CRJ-700 from SEA-YYC and that plane I could see making a 3+hr flight somewhat bearable.

But I would look to see YYC served before YEG, no offense to any edmontonians here!
 
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Ywg777

Fri May 03, 2002 3:48 am

What are you referring to when you say NW is expanding their Canadian service?? I've only heard about YOW gaining some RJ service (replacing the S340) and Calgary getting a summer YYC-DTW flight. Is their some other stuff I missed?
 
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RE: America West In YEG

Fri May 03, 2002 3:55 am

My Geography's not too hot, but how about CMH to YEG. I know AmWest uses the RJ's a lot out of their CMH hub. Would this be a shorter route and more reasonable market suited for the RJ?
 
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RE: America West In YEG

Fri May 03, 2002 7:19 am

CMH-YEG is 1712 miles: completely disasterous for an RJ
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RE: America West In YEG

Fri May 03, 2002 8:18 am

Yep, I told you my geography was bad. Embarrassment  Insane

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