konrad
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SAS Dash 8s

Thu May 02, 2002 2:06 am

Hi Airliners,

I heard SAS plans to phase out its Dash 8-Q400 aircraft or to reduce the fleet at least. Do you know why would they do so ?

The brids are new and shiny and great to fly. I've been on a number of SAS DH4 flights out of CPH which were fully packed. They used to fly F50s on the same routes, I imagine DH4 is a winner in terms of economy.

Any ideas ?
K.


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Flying-Tiger
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RE: SAS Dash 8s

Thu May 02, 2002 2:41 am

Rumour is that they will park 5 or 6 Dash 8-Q400. I can only guess what the reason(s) is/are: the whole SAS Commuter will be cut back by around 10% (or more, I don´t know the exact numbers) plus the Dashs have been real troublemakers on the technical site, many false alarms and other issues, for example with the landing gear, impacting on the reliability.

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slawko
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RE: SAS Dash 8s

Thu May 02, 2002 7:09 am

There are 5 or 6 of them sitting at De Havillands finishing facility at Pearon Airport, they are all up at the north end, sitting around doing nothing...they have been there for a few weeks...
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alaska739
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RE: SAS Dash 8s

Thu May 02, 2002 7:23 am

As for the technical side: I talked to a few Q400 pilots recently and the problems they've been having, major or otherwise, should be worked out (new plane kinks). Getting rid of a fleet of brand new type aircraft is a little rash for a few technical glitches.
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prebennorholm
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RE: SAS Dash 8s

Thu May 02, 2002 7:30 am

Never before in historic time has SAS had so much negative publicity in the press from introducing a new type as when introducing the Dash-8. What is hype, and what is reality, I don't know. But the newspapers have constantly kept us aware of Dash-8 shortfalls.

They are used extensively on Danish domestic routes. Domestic air traffic of course dropped steeply four years ago when the Great Belt Bridge was opened. The funny thing is, however, that it was not just one steep drop, but is has continued to drop rather steeply ever since.

I can't help but thinking that a lot of busy businessmen - as least those who read papers - think something like this: "Better take the car instead of risking to be on a Dash-8". What they fear the most is to get stuck in a tight work schedule somewhere besides an inop Dash-8.

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Dash8Driver
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RE: SAS Dash 8s

Fri May 03, 2002 4:02 am

Hy there,

SAS had a lot of problems with the Q400.
As I heard they had trouble with all kinds of technical systems e.g. pitot/static or the "engine computers".
Some trouble may have occured because SAS never operated any Dash 8s before. We (Augsburg Airways, Germany) also had our bad times with the Q400 but not that bad. Now they're doing good. Maybe because we are an experienced Dash 8 "Classic" operators.
There is no doubt: the Q400 is a fantastic aircraft!!!
When it flies (-"when it flies"-)it is great for everyone: it's fast like a jet, needs only 1/3 of the AVRO/BAE 146 fuel burn and no performance problems at all which is nice from a pilot's point of view and on top you have an Airbus style cockpit!
I can't wait to go "Q400"! For the time I'm fine with my Q300.
Here is one nice story which happend at Munich about one year ago:
departure controller to a LH B737: "LH 1234, can you increase your speed???"
LH 1234: (something like "unable" or "we don't care")
radar: "LH 1234, if your are unable for a significant speed increase turn left heading xxx. you have a high speed DASH 8 eatin' you up from behind"


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Mark_D.
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RE: SAS Dash 8s

Fri May 03, 2002 6:52 am

Me I'm still a bit surprised that SAS has gone so heavily into the launch customer department the past few years (736 is another one, wonder how happy they are with that so far. They sure do have a lot of them, a couple Baker's dozen and then some).

Over at the tech forum months ago there were a few remarks about how the Q400 problems were mostly from failures in cockpit systems (the presentation of which, in the new glass cockpit, seems to me even spiffier and with appreciably-larger LCD panels, than with the newer CRJs:


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Dash 8-300)

The pitot-static system in particular seems pretty darn elaborate:


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( fourteen (!) annunciator panels, seven sensor locations on either side of the plane along the wing and stabiliser chords)

And with some apparent reports of water (ice?) found in these tubes, well seems to me quite believable that there were a whole bunch of angry words said by the pilots who were having to put up with this thing at first, during the l-o-n-g "teething" time of late1999-early2001. So I hope it's fixed now (on Flying Tiger's "/rorders" page, in the Bombardier section, Q400 subsection, there's even a listing that what's now the Bombardier Q4 demonstrator was formerly one of the SAS planes  Big grin )

Anyway though, I figure that SAS --with its two dozen or so Q400s-- is maybe just waiting out an economic slowdown, if it's parked 5 or 6 of them. There's a bit more info about the current fleet lineup --and designations, 'names' and so on-- here: http://www.scanair.net/aon/sascommuter.htm

including a couple of nifty pictures:

http://www.scanair.net/images/LN-RDF-SS.jpg
http://www.scanair.net/paris2001/LN-RDU-LBG180601-gjerde.jpg

As for IQ (Augsburg Airways), yeah especially according to Bombardier PR --where in the lastest two "Regional Update" publications they sort of showcase the Augsburg guys-- IQ positively loves their Q400s  Big grin (can't go finding out there about any problems the guys may have encountered with the planes, of course). But anyway, maybe they got them after most of SAS's headaches in that department were well on their way to being sorted out. And ditto for Horizon Air, who's also a major orderer of the aircraft.

 
Dash8Driver
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RE: SAS Dash 8s

Mon May 06, 2002 9:34 pm

IQ's 400 Models doing fine so far.
Hope we get some more!!!

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