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Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 12:01 am

The Belgian start-up VG Airlines just got their commercial license rom the Belgian aviation authoritities. This means that they can start their operations now coz they had already their AOC


 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 12:18 am

Hello Pressclub,

Great news again for Belgium  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I wish the whole company and the staff the best with the company  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 12:21 am

The news was - strange enough - anounced by flemish minister of economy Jaak Gabriels. I go now to the pressconference and give you more details later
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 12:21 am

I forgot to ask this:

Are they still going to start the 17th or the 21th of May?

Which will be the first destination?

When did they just receive their permission to fly to the US?

Can people already book on their flights?

If yes, how many tickets are already sold?

Some questions to give you all some work  Big thumbs up

Regards and thanks,
Frederic
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 12:22 am

Does that mean that they have all the necessary licences to start flying to the USA?
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 12:36 am

And what about their businness plan. I tought they had some problems with the financing and they needed an extra investor?
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 12:42 am

My thoughts are the same as Airbuspilot, I thought that getting their license was only the first step in many issues still to be resolved, including rights to operate to the US destinations (JFK, BOS, LAX I believe), ground facilities at those airports, and to clean-up and resolve their financing.

The mid-May dates are only days away, can they or have they accepted reservations for those flights. Do they have a resevations system in place, not only in Belgium but in the US?

I hope that this works out, but I still have my doubts.
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 12:54 am

Dutchjet is correct: they have now their belgian licences but they must still get green light from Washington for their US-flights. So they can start flying, if they want even today, but not to the US.
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 1:59 am

They need a DOT402 which can take up to three months to obtain. Then, depending which airports they wnat to fly to, they need specific additional approvals, slots, etc ... and they need a reasonable marketing lead time as well.
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 2:13 am

Hello Guys,

Today I talked to a captain that is in charge of the safety issues at VG-Airlines.

The current plan is to operate flights between Jerevan (Yemen) and Los Angeles, via Brussels.

They have 3 main problems to operate this route:

1. Safety problems, the American CAA is very doubtfull that they can provide enough safety on this flight, certainly form Jerevan.

2. Fuel problems. They can not get fuel at Jerevan of which they are sure of the quality. So they HAVE to take the fuel from Brussels to Jerevan and back. On the A330-200 this is not such a big problem, because it has a very high landing weight, and Jerevan is not that far from Brussels (4hrs), but still operating like this they can only fill 3/4 of the plane maximum.

3. The third problem is related to the firs one, they still don't have a DOT402 to operate flights to the USA. This can still take several months, seen the safety problems.


The question I ask myself is: Will they be bankrupt before they start flying, or just after??
They loose 50.000 EUR every day they don't fly....

Still I wish them all the luck, but I see the sky getting darker over VG-Airlines every day...  Insane  Insane  Insane
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 2:23 am

Don't forget that it costs fuel to carry fuel, so that's going to add to the overall costs.

If I was heading up the commercial side of VG, I'd be trying to sign up deals with tour operators to provide long haul charters - the problem with that of course is the aircraft configuration, which is not a high density charter one; or alternatively provide ACMI services to other airlines (including of course SNBA).

With costs of €50k per day, that's €1.5 million per month - how much capital did they have to start with, and how much is left now?
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 4:09 am

Hello guys,

I just heard on Kanaal Z that VG Airlines is intended to add 3 additional aircrafts before the end of the year!!!

This is just amazing and unbelieveble.

I first didn't believe the presentator, but than this message was confirmed by Tonny Gramm.

To which additional destinations should they fly you think?
To Miami maybe?

Regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 4:13 am

He Frederic.....

Words are very easy, today they have none flying... , but they want to have 6 in the air by the end of the year. First see and then believe....  Insane  Insane


 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 4:34 am

Now 6 planes by the end of the year? As mentioned above, lets see the first flight get off the ground. Belgium has already lost Sabena and Citybird due to overexpansion and poor planning, it deserves better! If VG would stay with a reasonable transatlantic schedule, maybe it will have a chance, otherwise, I regret to say that there will be more trouble at BRU. I respect SBNA for their conservative approach thus far.

Maybe I am missing something, but why would VG want to operate a single-plane flight from LAX to BRU and on to Yemen? Is there a specific market for a flight such as this? It seems to me that they are just asking for problems.
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 4:39 am

Yes A320-addict,

I thought that too...

First see and than believe...
That's the reason I first didn't believe the presentator of Kanaal Z, but Tonny Gramm confirmed...
By the way, you can compare Tonny Gramm with Lippens and Davignon, these three guys know even much of aviation, with other words: just nothing.

I will be surprised if they will really take off, and I will be more surprised if they will even still exist on the end of the year.

I just hope it for all the people who worked a lot to get the company ready. They aren't even payed yet!!! Just amazing...

Best regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 5:07 am

TO Dutchjet,

The flight between Yerevan (Armenia) and LAX is a wet-lease for Armenian Airlines; a wet lease of 70 % of the seats; the 30 % of the seats will be commercialized by VG between BRU-LAX. None of the planes of Armenian Airlines are allowed inside the USA  Smile

Los Angeles has the biggest Armenian community outside of Armenia.

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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 9:50 pm

If they go for 6 Airbus 330 they have the intention to be bigger than the pax fleet of Martinair operating out of Schiphol. This is scaring.

It gives a bad feeling knowing that for so many jobless people depend on VG
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 03, 2002 9:55 pm

Martinair stands next to a mega fleet of KLM aircraft while VG has only 3 SNBA widebody and 2 Sobelair widebody aircraft to compete with.

But it sounds weird indeed to announce an expansion even before they have carried out their first commercial flight.

6 aircraft, I can not imagine using them all on the trans atlantic market. I hope to see some Asian destinations scheduled out of BRU soon again by any airline. Perhaps NRT?
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 04, 2002 4:57 am

> how much capital did they have to start with?

"De Standaard" has a brief article on VG Airlines today:


... Mr Gram would have given 25,8 million euro in guarantees and during final negotiations he has added another 6 million euro. During the press conference Mr Gram was assisted by businessman-lobbyist Freddy Van Dijck, who took care of the link between VG Airlines and politics. He will be responsible for the operations ("operationeel verantwoordelijk") in the airline company.

By receiving the commercial license 200 ex-Sabena staff, who had previously signed a temporary contract, have been automatically hired by VG Airlines. If/when the third aircraft will be delivered, then this amount will increase to 300 people. The first flight from Los Angeles to Brussels and then to Armenia will be on Sunday May 26th. Perhaps a flight to New York will take place before this date. Another destination will be Boston. VG is also considering Miami/Orlando.




 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 04, 2002 5:07 am

"By receiving the commercial license 200 ex-Sabena staff, who had previously signed a temporary contract, have been automatically hired by VG Airlines"


--> No-one had any contract at VG untill today!!
And I doubt if they will have one from tomorrow on...
 Insane  Insane
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 04, 2002 7:47 am

Well, I heard (if I remember well, so please beware...) that they are hoping to commence first flights to the US on May 26th or so...

Until then, they are hoping to get some ad hoc charter work...

And yes, if things go well, they are planning on expanding their fleet to 6 aircraft (I'm not sure if the 3 additionam aircraft would also be A330's, but this is very likely to be the case).

Anyway, I hope they make it, I really do...but appraently they still need to get rid of many many problems...

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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 04, 2002 8:07 am

They all had contracts !
Those contracts became valid the moment VG received all the necessary licences so as of this moment, indeed 200 ex-SN employees are hired!
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 10, 2002 10:22 pm

DOT gives OK for VG Airlines to serve U.S.(5/9/2002)


NEW YORK -- VG Airlines, the Belgian start-up carrier set to pick up where bankrupt Sabena left off, won Dept. of Transportation approval to begin nonstop transatlantic service from Brussels to the U.S.
As previously reported, VG Airlines plans to serve New York's Kennedy Airport daily as soon as May 20, with flights to Boston four times weekly and Los Angeles five times a week soon to follow.

Once launched, VG Airlines flights will be bookable through the carrier's Belgian call center at (011) 32-3 303-0000 or by e-mail at reservations@vgair.be. Eventually flights will be available for booking via both the GDSs and VG's own Web site, said an airline spokesman.

from Travel Weekly

Rgds,
Joe
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Fri May 10, 2002 10:40 pm

Thx for the info Republic  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Maybe they can start faster now, instead of 26th of May.
They are loosing so much money each day at the moment...

Regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 11, 2002 12:27 am

What more inside info:

DOT just confirmed me this info. VG got approval already wednesday.

x Flights to New York (daily Ops) will start 23 of may

x Flights to Boston (5 times weekly) will start 30 of may

x Big question: the flights to Yerevan/LAX. It seems that this operation is not sure. "Still pending', says VG








 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 11, 2002 12:32 am

Thx for the interesting post Pressclub

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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 11, 2002 1:47 am

Pressclub:

Damn! you beat me on this one. I also read this... But then, you don't have to rely on secondary sources such as VRT Teletekst  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

As a matter of fact, Freddy Van Gaever is in NYC at this moment, to finish off some things he still had to take care of.

So, first flight is BRU-JFK at May 23rd. First BRU-BOS flight is planned for May 30th. They still haven't set a date for the first BRU-LAX flight (I sure would love to fly on one of these!).

So, after all, it appears that VG Airlines has been able to set everything up as needed (well, except for some delays). They even got their DOT approval.

I wish them all the best, and maybe I'll have the opportunity to fly VG Airlines some day...

By the way, I can imagine Air Orange being quite happy at this very moment.

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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 11, 2002 3:01 am

They plan Brussels-Miami for the winter. Miami was supposed to the third destination until Aremenian Airlines and VG reached a deal.
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 11, 2002 4:41 am

My brother-in-law left 30 minutes ago to Malaga and he phoned me to let me know he could see standing a VG-plane at the bridge between 2 different planes (a LH and another one). I told him that this was impossible because without license to fly, they would be parked aside but he confirmed me that there was one standing on a bridge. He could see the plane from Terminal C !
Could it be possible they might fly stand-in for another company to holiday-destinations ?
Regards, Karl
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 11, 2002 4:52 am

Hey ILS.25L,

I checked all the flights, but did not find one VG Airlines flight.

Does your brother-in-law fly for Thomas Cook Airlines?

Regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 11, 2002 5:50 am

I just see on the AMS website that Air Holland will hire an A330 tommorrow. Can this be a VG A330?
 
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RE: Vg Gets Licenses

Sat May 11, 2002 5:58 am

I think you are right Laurens.

I found this on the net:

IV 501 AMSTERDAM (AMS) 03:30 OOS

This is the VG Airlines flight to Amsterdam.

Nice that VG earns some money for a while.

Regards,
Frederic