Greg
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340-500 Vs 380

Mon May 06, 2002 11:57 pm

On the US routes, won't the -500 siphon off the premium class services (F and C) that would be required to make the 380 profitable? Even with the steep discounts for ownership, I would think the operating costs would demand that these classes be fairly full.

I know we touched on this in another thread..but I couldn't find it....

Any comments?
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Mon May 06, 2002 11:59 pm

That is an interesting point especially when applied to SQ's SIN-LAX route. If I recall correctly, they plan to operate both aircraft on the route with the 380 stopping in either TPE or NRT.
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 12:13 am

Singapore_air? It's a legitimate question?
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 12:14 am

N79969,

I do think about SQ will have a new nonstop as for 2003 by the routes from SIN-LAX flight as for ultra long-haul nonstop to the West coast into USA. All, I do exactly hear about alot myself on the internet by a.net. And also, this is future decide as for new nonstop from SIN-SFO, SIN-JFK or EWR flight into of the future. That is more than of 8,000 miles of around the world. You could to be try get on new aircraft A340-500 or B777-200LR. This is very very long flight. No more than 14 hours inside of your airplanes. You will could be get a tired on the airplanes and get a sleep. Express yourself on the airplanes. Well, that it as for now.
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 12:16 am

Uhoh, another Airbus vs. Airbus battle  Big grin

I posted an economic analysis of the impact of the a380 on both Boeing and Airbus models. It found that while it slightly decreased demand for the 747, it greatly decreased demand for the a340.

That post was deleted, though. I guess it was too risque...
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 12:25 am

I wonder if Airbus will make an A380SP to solve the problem. If the economics of the seat/range trade off work, that could be a real threat to the 747. I think it would be a really difficult engineering feat though.
 
Greg
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 12:34 am

This has nothing to do with Boeing.

I'm just curious about the dilution of yield by having the 340-500 flying the same route as the 380 (albeit with a stopover).
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 12:40 am

The 747 remark was a tangent. But a hypothetical A380SP would actually kill the 345 also if it were to be built.

I wonder Airbus is thinking about the 345/380 issue. And SQ or EK for that matter?
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 12:47 am

"I wonder if Airbus will make an A380SP to solve the problem. If the economics of the seat/range trade off work, that could be a real threat to the 747. I think it would be a really difficult engineering feat though."

They already are planning a shorter A380, the -700, which will having longer range and be a close competitor to the 744.
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 12:54 am

"But a hypothetical A380SP would actually kill the 345 also if it were to be built. "

How so? Some routes are thinner than others, and most airlines will have no need for an A380 sized aircraft.

Its the same "twilight zone" logic where people claim that SIA could not operate both the A345 and 744XQLR in the same fleet.

The A340-500 and A380-700 have only one thing in common - very long range. But that's all.
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 12:59 am

This is quite similar to what some people thought about boeing and the 744 in competition with the 777.
I still think there is room for a the A380, and even a shorter A380, as there is a massive gap between the 747 (which is 'old' technology, even with the XQLR badge) and the A380.
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 2:31 am

Back to the original question then...does anyone have insight on it?
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 2:45 am

Hmmm... yes and no.

The premium business pax would most certainly prefer a n/s SIN-LAX flight. But SQ has traffic rights on SIN-TPE/NRT/ICN-LAX/SFO. So there would most certainly be enough traffic on all segments to minimize this dillution.
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 5:25 am

Does Boeing have a counterpart to the Airbus a340-500???
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 5:34 am

Boeing's entry is the 772LR. DesertJets makes a good point. Fifth freedom traffic will boost the number o premium pax on a given flight.
 
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RE: 340-500 Vs 380

Tue May 07, 2002 9:18 pm

Don't dimiss the idea of an A380SP.

For example, Airbus has been studying the shortened A380-700, which will offer 480 seats in three-class seating but longer range. It's possible that Airbus could offer an A380-700 in a higher MTOW version that will allow flights up to 8,800 nautical miles, which could allow for non-stop flights on routes like JFK-JNB year-round.

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