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737 NG Receives 180-minute Etops

Wed Sep 15, 1999 5:56 am

Today, FAA granted 180-minute ETOPS to 737 NG. I think the only US airline than can really take advantage of this is Aloha where it can fly 737 between Hawaii and US mainland. This is a good news for the European charters, whom can fly their 737 NG directly to North America. But pity the passengers on those flights!
 
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Great!

Wed Sep 15, 1999 6:01 am

Now CO can start flying 737-700's between EWR and Euorpe!!
 
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RE: 737 NG Receives 180-minute Etops

Wed Sep 15, 1999 6:04 am

Ugh...no thanks! Imagine being in a 737 during some of that fierce turbulence that sometimes occurs over the North Atlantic! Would rather ride it out in something larger, thanks.
 
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RE: 737 NG Receives 180-minute Etops

Wed Sep 15, 1999 6:52 am

Don't look for CO to do any such thing. Bethune said it isn't going to happen, and I haven't caught him in a falsehood yet.
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RE: 737 NG Receives 180-minute Etops

Wed Sep 15, 1999 6:58 am

Yes, Continental is talking about flying NG737's on transatlantic flights out of Newark but I think those would be flown just to Shannon or Dublin not into the rest of Europe because the 737-700/800 has a range of only 3500NM with a high load factor. The 757, also ETOPS rated, has a range of nearly 4000NM. A 737 could not fly nonstop from Brussels to New York even if it is ETOPS rated, but a 757 could.

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Etops Across The Atlantic

Wed Sep 15, 1999 8:46 am

Actually, 120min ETOPS allows all flights between the continental US and continental Europe.
 
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RE: Etops Across The Atlantic

Wed Sep 15, 1999 11:08 am

Hmmm...Midway Airlines....737-700 ETOPS...RDU-LGW...nahhhh I must be dreaming. It would be interesting though.
 
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RE: Etops Across The Atlantic

Wed Sep 15, 1999 11:31 am

A 737-any across the Atlantic? It would feel like a week-long crossing without the cruise-ship!
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RE: 737 NG Receives 180-minute Etops

Wed Sep 15, 1999 3:08 pm

CO did ( as in past tense) look into the possibility, but rejected it for a number of reasons...the size issue being but one. I'm not saying it couldn't be reconsidered at some future time, but Bethune said it won't happen on his watch.
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CO Micronesia

Thu Sep 16, 1999 12:24 am

Continental was looking to 180 min. Etops for its Micronesia subsidiary. I hope they wont fly them to Ireland...what a nightmare in 737 or any other narrow body....
 
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RE: CO Micronesia

Thu Sep 16, 1999 1:01 am

How about SW starting a price war across the atlantic -  
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RE: 737 NG Trans-Atlantic, Are YOU Nuts!

Thu Sep 16, 1999 2:31 am

I have had the dubious honor to fly a 737 from CLE to LAS, I got off with LEG CRAMPS!!! On the way back I did just like I do on charter flights, as soon as I was allowed I stood up the entire flight! WN doing Dallas to Hawaii would not be fun!
 
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RE: 737 NG Receives 180-minute Etops

Thu Sep 16, 1999 3:55 am

An article in the current issue of Airliners magazine dealing with Continental Airlines mentions, in passing, that they have, apparently, considered using the B737-800 on services from Newark to Shannon. Now would that be fun in a middle seat!
Not that the B757 is an ideal intercontinental vehicle either.
 
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RE: 737 NG Receives 180-minute Etops

Thu Sep 16, 1999 4:07 am

I propose they convert any 737-800 to be used on intercontinental routes to an all business class layout. That will make the flight at least bearable. They could also offer passengers crammed into those little planes a discount for their hardship. Seriously...is the 737-800 equipped for such a long flight? How many lavs does it have? And can they stock enough food to feed passengers twice? Does the plane have adequate in-flight entertainment? I know the 757 does. But regardless, I'd have to have some incentive - like a REALLY excellent fare - to be stuffed into a 737 for more than 3 hours.
 
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RE: 737 NG Receives 180-minute Etops

Fri Sep 17, 1999 5:15 am

I dont really like the idea of a 737 flying overseas, its like the 737 probably just has enough fuel to get there, whereas a MD-11, 747, 777 etc. has enough fuel to get there, and then some to divert if they need too. I can understand the 737 on a HNL-OAK like aloha is offering because that is about a 4 hour flight, but anything in
excess of that doesnt seem safe.
 
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RE: 737 NG Adam84

Fri Sep 17, 1999 5:24 am

Adam84,

I'm quite sure it would be safe. After all, its only 3 HOURS from land on one engine ;-).

Seriously, I'd fly it if I HAD to, but I'd be sure that htey were out of bourbon prior to landing!

-jim
 
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737 Long Flights?

Sat Sep 18, 1999 3:16 am

I flew on both a 737-300 and a 757-200 last month and believe it or not there was actually more legroom on the 737, or at least it felt that way. I was really really cramped in on the 757. They were the same seat (window) and same class (coach). BTW, the airline was Continental; does that make a difference
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