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Emirates To Bangalore

Wed May 08, 2002 8:12 pm

Hearing that Emirates will start flying to Bangalore, India, within 2 months. The initial plan is to commence with daily flights. Talks are at an advanced stage with permission likely to come through soon. Wait to see if Emirates will be granted more seats on the other India routes. They are also looking to startup Cochin and Trivandrum in September. Apparently Qatar Airways will also be granted permission after Emirates to serve BLR.

Some additional info:
-Emirates have expressed an interest in flying non-stop to Cebu in the Phillipines also, in addition to its requested double-daily into MNL.
-Emirates will receive its next B777, A6-EMR a B777-300, in Low density configuration. It's arrival will enable the EK011/012 LGW flights to be upgraded on 20 May to the 773 from the 332, 10 days ahead of plan.
-In early June, Damascus will move up to a daily operation.

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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Wed May 08, 2002 8:49 pm

Interesting news EK777.

A few questions for you:

-How are Gulf flights doing? (KWI,DOH,BAH,DMM)
Do you think they will upgrade KWI to double daily?

-How are the DAM/BEY/AMM/CAI flights doing?
Obviously DAM seems to be doing well!

-Also, are there any flights that are in danger of being cut? Is EK losing money on any flights besides the obvious Sanaa and Muscat?

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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Wed May 08, 2002 9:10 pm

Marco,

The Gulf flights are doing ok. The loads (no, of pax) are pretty consistent, certain days stronger than others (depending on connections). The load factor much depends on what aircraft they decide to deploy on the day (changes from an A310 HD all the way up the fleet to a B773 HD!). Interesting question on KWI - they were supposed to add another 2x weeklies to the morning flights taking it just 2 flights short of a double daily. However it seems like these flights have been pulled. I think they need to rework the bilateral with the Kuwaitis. The Saudi routes continue their strength. RUH recently went up to a 773 from a 772. In June they will switch the Tue JED flight to Thu, improving the connections for Eastbound pax out of JED. Still the Saudi govt. won't let them increase freqs.

On the DAM/BEY/AMM/CAI routes Emirates performance is seasonal to some degree. The DAM upgrade to a daily was expected (they've boosted freq. and capacity over the last 12 months). I wouldn't say DAM is a stellar performer (like MNL or JNB in 2001) but a route that is developing well. The upgrade to daily also increases the connection possibilities. Now that we are entering the summer, these routes should show very strong demand - expats in DXB going home for holidays, as well as outbound tourist traffic from UAE.

No routes in danger of being "cut". Yes, SAH and MCT are probably the biggest loss makers. However, as you would expect with any new route, KRT and CMN will be routes that will need time to develop and current loads are likely low.

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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Wed May 08, 2002 9:13 pm

emirates,

does the airline have any plans to start flights to ahmedabad, india seeing the high density of gulf tourists from this place???
 
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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Wed May 08, 2002 9:25 pm

AirIndia,
Yes Ahmedabad is very much on Emirates wish list. Also there is very good connection possibilities from the large Gujarati communities in East and South Africa (where Emirates has a big presence), as well as the Gulf and UK.

IIRC Kenya Airways are also interested in launching a direct service from Nairobi to Ahmedabad.

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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Wed May 08, 2002 11:49 pm

Dubai-Cebu?

Where's the market for this route, if Emirates decides to go Manila double daily?

It's just like when Emirates has Dubai-Sydney, and suddenly they want Dubai-Canberra.

Dubai-Taipei would makes sense.  Smile
 
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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Thu May 09, 2002 1:19 am

Ahlain Emirates777, Kaif 7alak?

I'm back!!! (Used to be member "Qatar") thanks to Johan Lundgren for allowing to rejoin.

Anyway back to the topic...

Qatar Airways intended to start flights to Bangalore in early 2001 and they even advertised the service but they were never given approval, but you are correct Qatar Airways will be flying to both Bangalore (BLR) and Cochin (COK) in the 4th Quarter this year probably around Novemeber. I expect flight to be operated by the A320 but the A300-600R is not ruled out.

"Talks are at an advanced stage with permission likely to come through soon. Wait to see if Emirates will be granted more seats on the other India routes."

Qatar Airways have also been awarded extra seats on the DOH-BOM sector and they will upgrade the flights from 4x weekly to daily. Air India will also upgrade DOH-BOM to daily. What is interesting is that Air India flies the B747-200 or the A310 to DOH while they can't sell all the seats on the aircraft, I can't remeber exactly but I think the limit is on 120 seats or something similar, seems like a waste of a 747 to me.

"They are also looking to startup Cochin and Trivandrum in September"

I heard that too, I think that Cochin might come earlier than Trivandrum but we will see.


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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Thu May 09, 2002 2:03 am

Jim1126,
There is a market for Dubai-Cebu in addition to MNL. The tens of thousands of OFW (Overseas Filipino Workers) in Dubai alone, not to mention the tens of thousands scattered across the Gulf region. If i am not mistaken (and QatarAirways can correct me), Qatar Airways plan to fly to Cebu also, initially on a charter basis, but thereafter on a scheduled basis.

Gulf Air experimented with this route a few years back and messed up. They flew nonstop with an A340-300 which clearly was far too big an aircraft. The A330-200 is the right aircraft with the range. However, i think most of the traffic on the route will be low yield pax, compensated to some extent with cargo.

QatarAirways,
As-salam-u-alaikum. Alhamdullilah. I trust you are well. Not long before A7-ACA arrives - eh ?

That's interesting about BLR. My understanding is that both Emirates and QR will be allowed into Cochin from September this year. Whilst permission has been granted, in Emirates case, additional India seats have not. So, in theory they could fly but would have to reduce services to existing points. Clearly this is something Emirates don't want. So since the last few months they have been locked into talks with the govt. and are hopeful that they are granted more seats.

I think the similar issue probably applies to QR. As for Trivandrum (and for Bangalore for that matteR) i was quite surprised to see these two routes come up so soon, i didn't expect them until late 2002/early 2003. But the tourist ministers of these regions are lobbying hard against the Indian govt. (similar to what the Hyderabad chief minister did last year for Emirates).

Welcome back!

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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Thu May 09, 2002 2:29 am

Emirates777
As-salam-u-alaikum. Alhamdullilah. I trust you are well. Not long before A7-ACA arrives - eh ?

I am fine thanks, A7-ACA is due in DOH on 11th May 2002 I would of gone to the reception party on the 13th of May but I am so busy with the examinations  Sad

Jim1126

Emirates777 is correct in all that he said. The Gulf has hundreds of thousands of OFWs and if you calculate the available capacity from the Gulf to the Phillipines you will find that there is an urgent need for capacity. I will not be surprised if EK filled the double-daily to MNL and the CEB service in a few years times.

Emirates777 is also correct that QR will initially start flying to Cebu on charter basis and then introduce scheduled service. The QR flights to CEB will be a stop-gap measure untill more rights are awarded to MNL.

"Gulf Air experimented with this route a few years back and messed up. They flew nonstop with an A340-300 which clearly was far too big an aircraft. The A330-200 is the right aircraft with the range. However, i think most of the traffic on the route will be low yield pax, compensated to some extent with cargo."

I agree with EK777 on this. GF had problems with this route because of the yeilds, and the aircraft chosen for the route is too large. I think EK wouldn't have the same problem, because as EK777 said the A330-200 if used would be the right size. EK also has better connections than GF and so they can pull in pax from other parts of the network. Also the market conditions have improved significantly since GF last flew to Cebu so I think EK has a good shot at this.

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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Thu May 09, 2002 3:58 am

Emirates can definately do well with two daily Manila flights as well a few weekly Cebu flights.

There are loads of OFW's in the Gulf region as mentioned above but there are also loads in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. Also, the second daily to MNL which should be timed to leave after 0200, should be perfect for European connections! The current flight leaves around 0800 which makes it ideal for pax connecting from LHR on EK004 only. However, it isn't uncommon for pax from Europe who arrive around midnight to spend the night transit because the airport is very live and is open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year!

Emirates777

Thanks for answering my questions! BTW did you fly to MCO on VS? If so how was your flight?

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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Thu May 09, 2002 5:35 am

Did some digging around - turns out the reason the why the Phillipine aviation board suspended talks with Emirates over the proposed increase in flights was due to concerns about Emirates exploiting the market and pushing Phillipine Airlines out. As things currently stand, PR doesn't fly MNL-DXB, and Emirates operates their frequencies on their behalf using a code share. Emirates have indicated that there is room for both carriers. More importantly given that demand is outstripping supply greatly there is a dire need for more capacity. There has been a lot of pressure on the Phillipine aeronautics board from various OFW representatives/organisations to resolve this issue and allow more capacity onto this route. We shall wait and see...

QatarAirways,
Good luck in the exams. I look fwd to spotting ACA at LHR next week.

Marco,
No i haven't yet. I am due to fly out 31 May and am looking fwd to it. Although a little disappointed that the full VS service and new upper class seat will not be available on this route.

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RE: Emirates To Bangalore

Thu May 09, 2002 8:26 am

Emirates too planning to come to BLR ? Great... So the list of airlines that are starting/hoping to start, now includes BA, Sri Lankan, Malaysian and now Emirates. All very nice from the traffic perspective. But Bangalore airport is *way* too small to accomodate multiple widebodies. I'm not talking about just ramp space alone but the ability of the immigration/customs to efficiently process all pax. LH's entry to BLR required some significant procedural changes in order to streamline the process. This is going to get strained to the limits when more carriers come in. Hopefully the state govt. will get down to the business of building the new Bangalore International Airport quickly.

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