aeromexico757
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Il-96M/T

Sat May 11, 2002 9:48 am

Does anyone in this forum knows what happened to the Il-96M/T, I know that the first flight was in 1993 and I haven´t heard anything about this aircraft since then.
When do the first aircraft will be delivered.
Thanks
 
Ilyushin96M
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RE: Il-96M/T

Sat May 11, 2002 9:57 am

The Pratt & Whitney-powered, Rockwell/Collins avionics-equipped version of the Ilyushin IL-96M airliner and the all-cargo Ilyushin IL-96T will not be produced. The US government withdrew its support from the joint venture to produce the aircraft, and the engines and avionics were recovered from the only prototype IL-96T. This happened last year, I think.

In the meantime, Ilyushin is going ahead with the longer, extended range IL-96-400 series. Essentially the same airframe as the IL-96T, the aircraft will be powered by uprated and improved Aviadvigatel' PS90A turbofans and equipped with Russian avionics. I am unaware as to whether an airliner version of this aircraft is planned or will be produced.


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JU101
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RE: Il-96M/T

Sat May 11, 2002 10:05 am

Why did the US government withdraw? Government pressure from Boeing with regards to more future competitors from abroad???

The IL-96 is a very nice plane.
 
Ilyushin96M
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RE: Il-96M/T

Sat May 11, 2002 10:15 am

Well, to hear it told, talks were in progress to provide the engines and avionics. However, Boeing didn't like the idea of a product that would be so competitive, so they were lobbying the US government to withdraw its support.

Ex-VP Gore had made a trip to Russia in the fall of 2000 to discuss US-Russian joint ventures, and the IL-96M/T project was one of the things discussed. However, the project was one of the first casualties of the Bush administration.

I don't see why Ilyushin doesn't go to a European consortium for its engines and avionics; Tupolev did with the TU-204-120 series, which is powered by Rolls-Royce RB211-535 engines.
 
JU101
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RE: Il-96M/T

Sun May 12, 2002 1:03 pm

That answer really comes to no surprise. Its clear that the US government is very protective of their own industries, however they of course do not have the same regard for foreign markets. Its all about who gets the money by the end of the day.

I would definately like to see Ilyushin and Tupolev link up with some firms in the EU. Nevertheless, EU is certain to be protective of the Airbus company, so the Russian and Ukranian industry will have a hard time.

IL96, TU204, and TU214 all seem to be marketable aircraft, provided that they have western avionics. The short-haul Tupolev TU334 is also another aircraft with some potential. Aeroflot is bound to make large purchases of mid-to-short range aicraft, to replace its old TU134s.
 
sterne82
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RE: Il-96M/T

Sun May 12, 2002 7:21 pm

Hi,

I do still believe that the IL-96 (either 300 or 400) have some future, but their main problem is the PS-90A powerplants.

So that's why I think IL needs 2 main things:

1) A better powerplant (the PS-90A2 will soon come)

2) A good and efficient management and support services for their aircrafts.
For instance: IL doesn't have a good website presenting the IL-96 and their performances.

In not a long time, I'm sure that some little upgraded/ westernised (avionics, interiors, and engines) IL-96's could easily find their way with some European, Asian, and Russian airlines (for American airlines, I seriously doubt... the russian doesn't fit well in some american's mind- this is NOT a critic only my point of view!!!)

Regards,

Benjamin
 
maugie
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RE: Il-96M/T

Mon May 13, 2002 4:45 am

Sterne82,

Ilyushin has 2 sites wich present their performances, wich high quality pics of cockpit, wings, engines, cabinpics...and movies of all their planes in production, Il114, 96M, 96-300, Il76 and il103......better search  Smile
 
maugie
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RE: Il-96M/T

Mon May 13, 2002 4:57 am

Strange, my post is deleted....

Sterne82,

Ilyushin has 2 very good sites showing high quality picsand movies of the planes they are in production, Il 76, 96-300, 96M, 103 and 114, like wings, engines, cockpits, interior, winglets etc.

 Smile

maurits
 
sterne82
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RE: Il-96M/T

Mon May 13, 2002 6:51 am

Excuse me I didn't find them...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Sorry, so I must correct what I've said...

"...IL need ONE thing..."

Could you give me the links?

Thanks,

Regards,

Benjamin
 
JU101
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RE: Il-96M/T

Mon May 13, 2002 1:31 pm

I would also like to see this site. Out of all aircraft produced by the Russian-Ukrainian aviation industry, the IL-96 and TU-214 look particularly impressive at first glance.
 
sterne82
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RE: Il-96M/T

Mon May 13, 2002 8:49 pm

The huge winglets give them a "killer" look...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
geotrash
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RE: Il-96M/T

Tue May 14, 2002 2:34 pm

Just a comment about acceptance of Russian aircraft into American markets. I agree that the mindset is one of caution, until an aircraft can prove itself over time. At the moment, proven aircraft exist to fill the needs of American carriers from Airbus and Boeing.

Were the Russians to prove the reliability, comfort and cost-effectiveness of the IL-96 in day to day operations, they may well find a market for such an aircraft, if the airlines can get it for significantly less than comparable aircraft from A or B.

Public acceptance is a significant obstacle, but I would say that most Americans are well aware that Russia is capable of building exceptional equipment, be it aircraft, rockets, or software. If United settled on the IL-96 tomorrow, and it promised greater comfort, a level of safety comparable to the newest from A & B, while at the same time allowing for cheaper airfares and greater airline profitability, most folks could care less where it was made. Not to mention the fact that every airplane enthusiast in the country would beat a path to their door for a ride on the inaugural flight. =)

It would be great to see the Russian aviation industry grow to be a significant force in western aviation. Their planes are just too interesting to be limited to Russian and eastern european carriers. Go Ilyushin!