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Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Sun May 12, 2002 9:05 am

As far as I know, there are no flights to or from Asia from MIA. Why is this?
 
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Sun May 12, 2002 9:54 am

Would you want to sit on a plane that long? MIA is as far as you can get from Asia wether you go East or West. I'd personally make a connection anyday.
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Sun May 12, 2002 10:00 am

Soku39 makes a valid point.

Most passengers would not want to sit in a plane for that long. San Francisco to Asia is long enough.

Airlines probably find it cheaper to have you connect in another airport.
I'm sure one day there will be an NRT-MIA service though.

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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Sun May 12, 2002 10:17 am

Is NRT-MIA reachable with any planes CURRENTLY flying in passenger service. From ATL-NRT, DL has the flight time as 14 hours and 30 I believe. MIA is about on the same path, and would be an hour longer. Besides, is there a market or not for flights to Asia?
 
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Sun May 12, 2002 10:28 am

But Airplanetire, would you really want to sit on a pane for that Long? the ATL-NRT run is hell enough and to top it off DL is using MD-11's on that route!
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Sun May 12, 2002 10:39 am

The fact that there are no direct flights to Asia from MIA is the very essence of the hub-and-spoke system. Flipping the same coin over, this is also the very reason why there are no flights from PDX to South America.
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Sun May 12, 2002 11:39 am

I sure wouldn't want to sit on a plane for 14.5 hours, especially on DL's MD-11s! I've been on one for 9 hours and that was a bit too much for that particular plane on Delta. But then again, if they didn't think people would sit on a plane for 15, 16, or even 17 hours, then why would they be making the A345? It wouldn't be my idea of a fun flight, but some people just really want that nonstop flight. What about the demand though, and why would an airline fly PDX to South America anyway?
 
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Sun May 12, 2002 12:07 pm

Come to think of it, MIA is reachable via the Atlantic / Europe, from SE Asia, at least... much closer than flying via NRT. However, trans-Atlantic routes from SE Asia has traditionally been more expensive to operate (only SQ and MH operates these flights).

However, there isn't enough demand for a direct flight to MIA. SIA did indeed do a survey about this some years ago. I guess the answer is obvious.
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Sun May 12, 2002 12:37 pm

I do think you will see MIA-NRT in the future (3-5 years), and maybe more in 10-15 years. Miami is the #2 US-Asia O&D market without non-stop service. #1 is Boston. #3 is Philadelphia.

Ryanair!!!, what's this with SQ and MIA? They looked at MIA? I could see them at MIA maybe around 2010 or so if the new "Star Alliance hub" really becomes a major *Hub. They could fly it as an extension of the MAD route (which is currently an extension of the ZRH route) and pick up a lot of business travelers between Miami and Madrid, put on a UA codeshare, and provide the Latin American hub with a lot of feed at the same time. Most of SQ's EWR/JFK/ORD traffic is European originiating in the first place, if I am not mistaken. SQ would serve IAD first, though.
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Mon May 13, 2002 5:34 am

Trickijedi I'm sure AA has enough of a hub at Miami to support flights to Asia. They send the 777 there, it overnights and it comes back. Simple as that if there was ever enough demand.
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Mon May 13, 2002 10:03 am

Believe it or not, JAL flew to MIA in the early 80's.

NRT-ANC-MIA-Sao Paulo with a DC-8-62!

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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Mon May 13, 2002 11:51 am

Yyz717, wow! I never once new that! That is very, very intresting! I'm sure they had 5th freedom on MIA-GRU. I'm positive AA has the demand with connections and O&D to make MIA-NRT work, but there are some problems:

1) Range. I'm no expert, but while I believe NRT-MIA can be done, there are problems doing MIA-NRT. I am not positive, however.

2) Labour. AA has major union restrictions with flights over 14 hours. Which not only really limits the possibility of MIA-NRT (which would be roughly 14.5 hours, I think), but also ORD-HKG.

I think AA will have MIA-NRT by 2006 with the new hub openeing up if another carrier has not entered the fray. Right now, MIA is trying to lure a Latin American or Asian carrier to make MIA thier way-point for Asia-Latin America flights. Very recently there have been a lot of rumours about Varig starting GRU-MIA-NRT. After Varig applied for three extra weekly slots to Narita, it's been no secret in the local media that MIA wants those flights to be via Miami. TAM has also placed Tokyo as one of their future expansion destinations. MIA would undoubtley be the stop if TAM ever does decide to go as far as Tokyo. If LanChile ever expanded to Asia as well, MIA would most likely be the stop. MIA launched a plan recently to get non-stops to 26 new cities and lure new airlines by having talks with them and traveling to airport conferences, etc (in Asia, ICN, TPE, and NRT are on the list, I believe). Surprisngly, one of the tops on thier lists is Korean Air. We'll have to see what happens, though. I think Asia is definitley in Miami's future, but obviously only on one or two carriers. I personally feel that if LanChile continues to grow on it's excellent reputation, that SCL-MIA-NRT could be a very good bet. Slap on an AA codeshare, take in Miami's LanChile-loving business community (LA flies from MIA to LIM, SCL, BOG, CCS, CUN, PUJ, UIO, and GYE), and you might have a hit. Until then, JAL Holidays (I believe that is what they call thier charter/vacaction division) flies NRT-FLL every winter with 747-400s. Any MIA-Asia route would probably attract a lot of Latin business travelers and Asian tourists. Miami's Asian population is small, but there are significant Thai (Miami) and Chinese (Ft. Lauderdale) communities that would love getting home to be easier.
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Tue May 14, 2002 11:29 am

Hey MAH,

I thought that JAL only flew a few charter flights
for cruise traffic to FLL. Ive never seen them here
on a regular basis. Do you have more info as to
how long they operate the flights? I remember
2yrs ago there were 2 JAL B747-400s at the airport
but thats about it.....

Regarding KE to MIA, they have been trying to
start Freighter service for a long time. They even
announced they would start flying the route in
the 90's but never materialized. Right now the
only Asian flights from MIA are the B74F flights
of CI and Polar.
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Tue May 14, 2002 12:12 pm

If CO can fly EWR-HKG nonstop then AA's 777s should be able to fly MIA-NRT.
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RE: Why No Flights To Asia From Mia?

Tue May 14, 2002 6:14 pm

A marketing team from my former employer in the travel business (in Singapore) went to Miami for a travel promotion about 4 years ago . . . there is a lot to do to increase the level of awareness of Asia (and Singapore).

Many people do not immediately think of Asia when a holiday comes up . . . the Caribbean region, South America and Europe (as well as domestic destinations and Canada/Mexico) springs to mind.

It will probably take quite a long while for a direct service to be viable . . . the folks from MIA Airport did at one time attempt to attract freighters from Asian airlines . . . without much success. This was reported in Payload magazine (cannot remember the issue date).

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