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Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 9:43 am

There has been alot of talk about a new aircraft design by Boeing in the 200-250 seat range outside of the Sonic Cruiser. Should Boeing NOT do this, and instead decide to revamp the 767, what exactly is there left to do??
 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 9:46 am

There is probably a market for a 767NG. I.E. a new version of the 762 could be the 767-700, a new 300 could be the 767-800 etc.

New wings, overheads, tweaks to the aerodynamic design, different engines, etc. would probably be the only changes to get slightly better cost savings than what the current product designs now.

It would be foolish to create a brand new airplane.
 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 10:07 am

I agree with you Scj>Sfo, too many people on this board are naive in thinking Boeing must develop a brand new design, just going by the fact that the B767 is 20 years old. I would love for some people to come up with the "major improvements" which this new design would incorporate.

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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 10:26 am

Well, frankly I just want them to keep the 767 because I think its a good plane for the passengers. (4 out of 7 seats in coach are isle)... I'm just unsure as to what exactly can be done to improve the economics of the plane and make it appealing to airlines.
 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 10:55 am

What's wrong with the current 767?! They are extremely fuel efficient and economical planes to operate on short, medium, and long routes. All newly built 767's have the option to have a 777 cockpit and interior.
 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 11:29 am

What is about goes on with as for guys. So do you think ever will have new aircraft B767-500/600/700LR or ER?? Are you will keeping guess that will built a new one as for the future? Well, if you like to sent it to me a picture as for future aircraft new airplanes. Thanks!
 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 3:46 pm

All this talk of a 767NG has been generated by little mutterings and what not here on a.net

Boeing would only need a 767NG if they were not serious about the Sonic Cruiser. They would probably have about the same timeframe for a 767NG that they currently have for the SC.

The only way you will see a 767NG is if the SC is a bluff. Otherwise, it is a rather redundant product.

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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 4:07 pm

Besides the continued sales of the 777 and 737 models, all Boeing's future stock would seem to be in the sonic cruiser. I mean, that's a fairly big gamble in my opinion...
 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 4:45 pm

There is a lot of talk of a new Boeing 767NG or similarly sized plane.. What for. The 767 despite being twenty years old is still a great aircraft.

It is certainly holding its own against the A330 in sales and I would not have believed this myself. 2001 A330s delivered was 32 against 36 767s (5 762 25 763 and 6 764)...  Big thumbs up

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The 767 is the right size for those where a A330 is too big. A 767 is not as big as a A330 the same a the A330 will never be anywhere near as big as a 777.

Boeing could upgrade the 767 and don't need a totally new mid size aircraft. maybe that will be the sonic cruiser?

Approaching 1000 units  Smokin cool the 767 will be around as an airline money spinner for a while yet!!
 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 5:49 pm

The 767 is one of the most efficient and flexible designs in the air, with excellent range. Sure, it isn't as sexy as the 747, it's big brother 777, or the wingletted A330 and quad-APU A340, but it's a fine plane that is still very competitive even after 20 years.

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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Mon May 13, 2002 11:59 pm

I think we will see a Next-Generation 767.

Most likely, it'll use the 767 fuselage but with new nose, new tail, new wings and new engines. The result is a plane that cruises about the same speed as a 747-400 and also has lower fuel burn than current 767's.
 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Tue May 14, 2002 1:04 am

It all depends upon the SC's time scale. If it is out in 2008, a 767NG is probably a waste of resources. Recently, a slip to 2010 has been suggested, and some suppliers have said they thought it might be 2012. If the latter is the case, then some freshening of the 767 could well be in order.

The wing cross-section could be updated to a more advanced airfoil be reshaping the ribs, leaving other structural details pretty much intact.
 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Tue May 14, 2002 1:27 am

The original press announcement, which came out over the weekend, stated that Boeing was looking to update its 757/767 line, possiblty with a new airliner, in addition to the Sonic Cruiser, which has priority at the moment. Both projects, one of the projects, or none of the projects may go into serious final development. Its just too early too tell. Sales of the 767/757 have been slipping, partly due to the downturn in air traffic, and, sorry to say Boeing fans, the A332 is a hit for Airbus. (I am a Boeing fan too, so please no A vs B nonsense.)

The Sonic Cruiser, if built, may replace the 767ER on long range routes, but it is not suited for shorter-range higher density routes; for example, if DL were to purchase the Sonic Cruiser, we would not see it on ATL-MCO runs.

While the 767 and 757 are great planes, among the best out there, its time to update them, either by creating New Generation models (the 733 was a very good plane, but the 73G is even better) or start with something new (just like at a certain point the 72S was replaced with the 757). This is good news and progress, and how Boeing intends to stay competitive; it will jump start orders and in the spirit of competition, keep the pressure on Airbus.

Boeing mentioned new materials to save weight, lower fuel comsumption, possibily more range, new engines, new electronics, etc., etc. While the 767/757 have been updated over the years, bit by bit, further improvement is always welcomed by all, especially if the improvements will mean more comfort, less fuel burn, and save money.

 
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Tue May 14, 2002 4:56 am

It seems like carrying two LD3 containers side by side is important. The 767 cannot do this. A new mid size plane would be an ideal replacement for A300/A310 and 757/767.A base 200 seater and a stretched 240 seater in 3 classes. Some airlines would be quite interested in replacing their A300/A310 with a similar aircraft (maybe Lufthansa)

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Dutchjet

Tue May 14, 2002 5:47 am

Any link to the Boeing PR, I scoured their website to no avail, I would love to see how they worded it.
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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Tue May 14, 2002 6:37 am

See Yahoo aviation news from Friday, 10th May.........Boeing considers new midsize jet; the article is via Reuters.
 
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Boeing Confirms No New Plans For 757/767

Tue May 14, 2002 11:50 am

Boeing has confirmed no new plans for the 757/767 despite slow sales. Saying their planes are made for 30-40 years, they don't think they could make a more efficient plane than the 757 at the moment.

In the same article, the SC is said to be running right on track, and should bow near the end of the decade.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/020513/transport_boeing_1.html

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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Tue May 14, 2002 5:46 pm

To all:

I have to agree with Dutchjet about the need to upgrade the 757/767 line. Sales (not deliveries) have been slow and the A332 rules the roost in this category.
Obviously, something about the Boeing planes is losing in this segment. A business HAS to listen to the marketplace if it is going to be successful and I think an upgrade is essential if Boeing is going to keep the current 757/767 customer base; they've lost enough already. Certainly the 737 line has benefited from the NG upgrade. Perhaps the same approach could do the same for the 757/767.
I am surprised at the significance people put into SC. While it may eventually see fruition, not all carriers will want/need or can afford such a craft, so it is not the "end all to be all". An upgrade of the 757/767 would fill a big niche, however.

My thoughts...

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RE: Regarding Boeing's 767 Plans

Tue May 14, 2002 9:26 pm

I understand one of the designers name is Gepetto.
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