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6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 7:27 am

The first sections of concrete are going to be poured later this month for the new 6th runway.

The new runway will be 16,000ft. long and 200ft. wide and will be the longest commercial runway in North America.

It's main goal is to allow non-stop service to Asia which currently is not possible on any long-range widebody aircraft without severe weight restrictions. Tests have shown that the A340 is best fit for the job to operate to Asia with the current 12,000ft. runways, however it will still suffer severe weight restrictions which will make the flight not economical.

The new runway will allow fully loaded A340s, 777s, and 747s to take-off and fly on to Asia.

So far, JAL has expressed the most interest in operating a NRT-DEN flight. A couple months ago when the Mayor went to Japan, he met with JAL CEO's who expressed "great" interest to him in operating a non-stop flight to Denver (DEN) within the next few years.

Recently, ANA has also expressed interest, probably in response to JAL.

Here is the full article about the new runway:
http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2002/05/13/story1.html

I do think that there is definately a market for non-stop NRT service. I could see NRT-DEN coming in 2-4 years from now, and possibly a little earlier.

At a later stage in about 10 years or so, I could see non-stop service to HKG and some other Asian cities.

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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 8:22 am

BA:

Would like to know a little more about the tests that show an A340 is best fit to operate Asian flights. Which model A340, and who ran the tests? What did it test, range vs weight, range vs payload, or whatever?

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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 8:27 am

M27,

I am not sure which A340 tested better. My guess is the A340-200 since it's smaller, and technically the longest ranged airliner CURRENTLY in airline service.

However it was very very close behind the 777. The 777 probably fell back since it is a much heavier and larger aircraft.

I am pretty sure they would have had to compare the A340-200 versus the 777-200ER and obviously the A340 will be the winner. Not exactly a fair comparison, but the point of the tests was to see which could do runs to Asia best.

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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 9:16 am

I was hoping for it to be complete a little sooner than the Fall 03'. But..whatever floats their boat as long as they get it done in time.
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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 9:18 am

OK, sorry I had to add this, but they're going to put rebar in this time, right?
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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 12:27 pm

Mlsrar,

I have no idea. I'm sure they know what they are doing though.

I hope! Big grin

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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 1:04 pm

16,000 feet - Wow! Thats a long runway!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 1:34 pm

Instead of doing 2 touch and goes on a 12,000ft runway in the same pass, you could do 3 touch and goes in a C172. ;o)

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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 6:23 pm

6 runways! Clearly DEN is one of the busiest airports in the US. I guess most of the traffic is domestic, as I don't think there are many international flights out of DEN (yet).

The design of the terminal is absolutely beautiful.

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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 8:27 pm

I think that 4876-meter runway could also mean another thing: the possibility we may eventually see the A380-800 fly to DEN. We might even see LH A388's fly the FRA-DEN route during the winter at the height of the ski season.
 
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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Wed May 15, 2002 10:57 pm

The only way that DEN gets an LH A380 is if there is a lot of interline traffic that goes on to UA. Same thing goes for service to Asia. I could see NH because of their relationship with UA.....

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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Thu May 16, 2002 6:32 am

Before 9/11 struck, I heard that Lufthansa was planning on operating the 747-400 to Denver during the summer because of the incredibly high loads they experienced last summer. That has changed now though.

Its not surprise either, when I flew Lufthansa last summer, the flight was overbooked by more than 50 passengers. Luckily I wasn't selected to give up my seat.

I could see LH operating the A380 during the summertime.

Here is an article about the 6th runway in the Denver Post:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E612465,00.html?search=filter

Here is a rendering of where the new runway will be located:


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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Thu May 16, 2002 6:55 am

Wether the loads were there or not, the 744 would not work on DEN-FRA. Weight and load restrictions. I read about it in I belive the Denver Business Journal. I doubt the A380 will be used to DEN. The A380 will be used on VERY, VERY dense routes and DEN is not one of them. In the US, JFK, MIA, and SFO fit the profile. DEL, NRT, SIN, BKK, and HKG will see them first, though.
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RE: 6th Runway In DEN To Open In Fall 2003

Thu May 16, 2002 7:08 am

MAH4546,

No, a 747-400 can fly from DEN to FRA easily. British Airways flew the 747-400 from DEN to LGW, for 8-9 months of the year (including summertime) the 747-400 can fly non-stop to Europe from Denver. It has a weight restriction, but not a very heavy one.

The problem in this story is Asia. Asia is not reachable, but Europe is absolutely no problem.

I disagree about DEN not getting the A380. During the summertime, BA and LH really fill up there planes. LH could use the A380 during the summertime when loads are very high.

If they've considered flying the 747-400 to DEN. Then why wouldn't they consider the A380?

Denver Int'l was built to handle the A380, future flying wings, and other aircraft.

One of the reasons why Denver's runways are so thick.

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