SBE727
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New Airline At Gatwick

Thu May 16, 2002 6:36 am

Hi there,

Can anyone tell me more about this new luxury airline due to start very shortly based at london gatwick.
I hear that they will operate to long haul destinations using b777 and 767's.

Is this venture likely to go ahead...they have just started looking for cabin crew.

Would appreciate any help on this one.


Many thx
sbe727
 
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Thu May 16, 2002 7:40 am

Hi SBE727,

I started a topic here about them a short while ago, but got little response.

Did you see the crew ad on http://www.aviationjobsearch.com ? On there it says that they will have an iminant start, so it sounds like things are moving quickly..........!
 
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Thu May 16, 2002 9:00 am

Sounds very interesting, do you have an idea of the name and where they will actually be flying too..!?
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Thu May 16, 2002 11:16 am

It's not Axeos, or whatever they called themselves (using B.733's I think at the moment)??

My memory isn't how it used to be!!!

LM
 
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Fri May 17, 2002 1:17 am

Lekky-Man,

I think you mean Argo?! They're to be a low cost airline based in Brum, so it's not them!

The rumour was Hart Air.....
 
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Fri May 17, 2002 6:13 am

is this it (extract from Thomas Jaegers aviation newsletter)

Hart Air (London Gatwick) could be the name of a new long-haul airline to be
based at London Gatwick. The airline would resume Caribbean routes that
British Airways abandoned during the last years and use B767-300ERs and
B777-200ERs.
 
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Fri May 17, 2002 7:00 am

This are just rumours, I heard about that several times before and again here. However, I'm not sure about the names of the airlines but I decided to publish it.

There are obviously two projects: the low-cost airline "based" in BHX with 10-12 B737-300s and this "luxury airline" "based" at LGW to operate with B767-300ERs and B777-200ERs on ex-BA routes to the Caribbean.

I heard many different names and I'm not 100% sure Hart Air was the one at LGW.

Does somebody know how these two projects are actually called?
-Argo?
-EuroDirect?
-Hart Air?
-Heart Air?
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Fri May 17, 2002 8:00 pm

Ok Thomas, from what I can tell here's what the above names are!

EuroDirect was an airline (now dead!) in the 90s that was owned by the man starting Argo.
Heart Air was previously rumoured as being the name for Argo (the 737 operator ex BHX).

Hart Air is the rumoured name for the 767/777 airline ex LGW that you mentioned!
 
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Sat May 18, 2002 3:19 am

Thanks a lot, Englandair.

So I managed it to "choose" the right name!
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Sat May 18, 2002 3:50 am

Q: What have all these airlines got in common?

Newlines
BlueFox
Mama Air
Caledonian Wings
Kiss Air
British World 2002
Europe Elite
Fly Europa
Argo
Heart Air

A: They're never going to fly.

The UK appears to have more than it's fair share of planned startups with dubious business plans, that have you scratching your head about whether rational people could actually believe they have a hope in hell of securing financial backing.

The airline industry is a risky one, and any business plan that's a bit "out there" is going to struggle to attract investors - in a good year. In the current climate, I think you can all but forget it.

Many of these airlines have been around for years, promising an "imminent launch." I'm not holding my breath...

For an example of how it's done look at Astraeus, sound business plan, right people at the helm, right aircraft. Been around much shorter length of time than most of the companies above and have got into the air in the space of a few months. They asembled a management team, secured backing, found aircraft and business for them and obtained their AOC, now they have real aircraft in the air, flying real passengers, earning real revenue for the company.

If your companys got a good business plan and a chance of success, it'll fly. If not, you'll start a website and costantly postpone your startup for unspecified reasons. Have a look at Astraeus' website and see how quickly it can all be achieved if you get things right;
http://www.flyastraeus.com

Just as a closer, here's a photo of Astraeus' first B737-700, which will become G-STRC;

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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Sat May 18, 2002 5:53 pm

It appears to me that there are already too many carriers flying in the UK imo. It seems strange to add even more airlines to the mix, as BA is already struggling and so is VS and BM. add to that the low cost cariers including Ryanair, Go / Easyjet , bmibaby and Buzz. British European is also a main player in alot of routes.

Then theres the charter carriers that operate, including Britannia, Air 2000 , My Travel , Monarch, then European Aviation and Astreus.

It seems crowded already imo. Where do all these airlines expect to get profits from as the market is already flat. Very risky move.

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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Sun May 19, 2002 2:14 pm

Crosswind:

Didn't I see a pic of a FlyEuropa 737 in service somewhere?
 
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Sun May 19, 2002 9:06 pm

Hi guys,

Thanks for your reply's.

If anyone else knows anything different...i would appreciate it.


Many thx
sbe727
 
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RE: New Airline At Gatwick

Sun May 19, 2002 10:54 pm

The B737 (G-CEAF) was painted in Fly Europa colours in preparation for planned lease to the airline, it never happened but the plane flew all summer for European Air Charter in full Fly Europa livery.

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The Fly Europa titles have now been removed...

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