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Ex-Reno Air AA Jets

Fri May 17, 2002 1:00 pm

When did AA get rid of the last of the Ex-Reno jets, the ones painted White instead of polished metal? And why? Thanks for the help fellas!
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RE: Ex-Reno Air AA Jets

Fri May 17, 2002 1:12 pm

I'm not too sure when they got rid of them. The Reno jets were not owned by Reno themselves, they were leased.

So when AA acquired Reno, they no longer wanted to continue the leases so they returned them.

AA did not acquire Reno for expansion. They acquired them to eliminate some competition as they were hurting AA a little bit out of LAX.

Also, the MD-90 is not part of AA's commonality plan. The MD-90's are powered by IAE V2500 engines, so AA would need an entire different contract with IAE to maintain the engines which AA didn't want.

One of the reasons also why the 717s will be leaving AA soon. AA seems to care about commonality more than any other US carrier.

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RE: Ex-Reno Air AA Jets

Fri May 17, 2002 1:30 pm

I agree with what was said above, however I think that there are several reasons, in addition to fleet commonality. It's all got to do with m-o-n-e-y.

The lease rates on the 717s were terrible. Yeah, AA could have renegotiated them with Boeing, however, that still leaves them with duplicates; they have the F100 and the 717 at the same time. That's a waste. The Fokkers are paid for, the 717s are not. That pretty much was the kiss of death for the AA 717.

There were only five MD-90-30s or so in the whole fleet, and it just doesn't make sense to maintain all of the infrastructure for just a fleet of five. Also, Reno had MD-87s which is another fleet difficulty. IT doesn't hold enough people, so you can't schedule it on normal AA MD-82 flights.

Reno did have the MD-82s also, but they were leased. AA kept them until the lease was over, and, not needing any more aircraft, got rid of them at that time.

The MD-82s have started going to Vanguard.

I do agree that AA cares about commonality a lot. But look at where they are. Including TWA, they were and still are flying a very diverse and consequently inefficient fleet. MD-11s and 777s. 767s powered by two different engines. 757s powered by two different engines. 727s. 737s. 717s. F100s. A300s. it's a mess.

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RE: Ex-Reno Air AA Jets

Fri May 17, 2002 2:37 pm

The Reno Birds started to leave the AA fleet about one year ago. The last one was suppose to have left later this year, however after 9/11 they were all immediately grounded, they never flew another revenue flight after 9/11.
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RE: Ex-Reno Air AA Jets

Fri May 17, 2002 2:46 pm

The last of the ex Reno aircraft were parked a week after 9-11. The original plan was to return the last four in January 2002.

As for the current AA fleet the last of the 727's were retired last month. The last MD-11 was gone in Oct 2001. And of course the DC-10 retired in Nov 2000. So in the past two years AA has retired three fleet types.

However, the addition of TWA has kind of put AA back to square one in terms of maintenance commonality. The type ratings and training for the pilots are the same (except for the 717 which will be gone in June) but maintenance is another story.
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RE: Ex-Reno Air AA Jets

Sun May 19, 2002 3:57 am

Some of 87s also went to Vanguard as well.
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RE: Ex-Reno Air AA Jets

Sun May 19, 2002 5:33 am

AA seems to care more about commonality more than any other us carrier.

BA, explain that to me please.what other airlines dont.if you are talking about airplane type(777,737,f-100,a310)
what do you mean by that?


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RE: Ex-Reno Air AA Jets

Sun May 19, 2002 2:09 pm


MD-11s and 777s.

MD11s gone. Turned into freighters.


727s gone. One just went to Ariana. Most are parked in the desert never to be used again.

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