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Seattle International?

Fri May 17, 2002 1:28 pm

Hi all

What do you think about Seattle's future of becoming a major world hub or expansion of more international airlines? Seattle has only a few flights to Asia and Europe but alot of flights to Canada and Mexico thanks to it's hometown carriers, Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air.

American Airlines recently suspended flights from Tokyo from Seattle and Northwest Airlines suspended flights to Osaka and at one time use to fly from Seattle to Hong Kong even Thai Airways use to fly to Seattle.

The port of Seattle is still considering building a new international terminal where the cargo terminals are currently located. Do you think there is a future for this? What airlines do you think will start service to Seattle.

I think Vancouver and San Francisco take alot of the routes from Seattle. Vancouver is just a two hour drive flight from Seattle so if you want to fly to Hong Kong why not just drive to Vancouver and catch Cathay Pacific Airways. I think it is really odd Lufthansa flies to Denver but not Seattle.

Seattle has proved it's self to be a major world city so why isn't there any airlines starting service? The airport is expanding and going through alot of re-modelling.

What do you think, here are the airlines that currently flu to Seattle to international cities. Did I miss any?

United Airlines - Tokyo (777-200)
United Express - Vancouver
Northwest Airlines - Tokyo, Amsterdam (747-200)
Alaska Airlines - Mexico, Canada
Horizon Air - Canada
Asiana Airlines - Seoul (B777-200)
EVA Air - Taipei (747-400)
British Airways - London (747-400)
SAS - Copenhagen (A340-300, 767-300?)

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RE: Seattle International?

Fri May 17, 2002 1:44 pm

I could see SEA getting more international flights in the near future. They have recently had a great increase in domestic flights and with PDX losing DL transpacific, the door is open. However, as you mentioned, there is alot of competition at YVR. Also, even though PDX lost it's service, there is still a market large enough for one or 2 flights across the ocean. PDX will market itself very aggressively for new service and YVR has done it for years. SEA will be in position to do the same. As for LH in Denver, it is primarily because of the code-share with UA
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RE: Seattle International?

Fri May 17, 2002 1:46 pm

Aeroflot serves SVO from SEA with the 777-200; I believe the routing is SFO-SEA-SVO. In addition, the NW flights to AMS are with DC-10's, AFAIK. In the past, Seattle had flights such as JAL to Tokyo, NW to Seoul, UA to Hongkong and Heathrow, & Finnair to Helsinki. I also find it difficult to believe that there is not enough demand for other flights (in good economic times) to other major cities, particularly in Europe. Certainly Frankfurt or Paris should generate enough traffic for a weekly flight.
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RE: Seattle International?

Sat May 18, 2002 1:19 am

Air Canada serves Toronto with a daily flight. I think with an A319 or A320.

To add a bit of history, Martinair used to fly 2/3 charters to Amsterdam per week during the summer years ago using first DC-10s, 747-200s, and finally 767-300s. I think these flights were discontinued as NW starting making daily flights.

There are some international cargo flights. Martinair does make a flight or two to AMS. I think CargoLux does Luxembourg. China Airlines flies into Taipei.
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RE: Seattle International?

Sat May 18, 2002 1:49 am

Well if even Boeing moves out of Seattle, it becomes challenging [to say the least] to convince the airlines of the world that SEA is still a major international gateway...!

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RE: Seattle International?

Sat May 18, 2002 1:52 am

Seattle has seen a fair amount of international service, especially Asian, come and go. NW had started to build SEA into a significant secondary gateway (NRT, KIX, SEL, HKG) before the Asian economy tanked. China Southern also served the area for awhile.

I think Seattle will continue to play an important role as a secondary gateway, but the focus will be more on O&D traffic. We just don't have the level of feed that SFO, LAX and YVR have to sustain a lot of connecting markets (hence AA's cancelling the SEA-NRT run).

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RE: Seattle International?

Sat May 18, 2002 5:28 pm

I know for sure that before 9-11, LH was interested in flying FRA-SEA daily with an A343. I do know not what has happened to these plans meanwhile, but it traffic increases, I think we could see that flight around 2004.

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RE: Seattle International?

Sat May 18, 2002 5:33 pm

Is SAS the only A340 operator at Seattle?
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RE: Seattle International?

Sun May 19, 2002 5:55 am

Well both AF and LH have expressed interest in serving SEA so one should expect to see service to both CDG and FRA in the near future. The problem with SEA is that, as stated by others, it is does not have the feed of SFO, LAX, YVR, etc. Furthermore, its position at the far northeast of the US means that it cannot work as an effective transatlantic hub except for north-south west coast connections. As a result, airlines flying into SEA must rely on a greater degree of O&D traffic than at places such as DEN. This I would argue, is what has prevented more European carriers from serving the airport.
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RE: Seattle International?

Sun May 19, 2002 6:13 am

SAS is the only operator to fly A340 to Seattle.

Also, China Southern never flies to Seattle, it's China Eastern. Now China Eastern Cargo/China Cargo flies to Seattle with M11F.
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RE: Seattle International?

Sun May 19, 2002 7:13 am

The new North Terminal will NOT be for international traffic. That will stay at the South satellite. The new North Terminal will be a 40 gate addition to SEA-TAC. United will be 1st up in the bidding for how many gates and the location when it is built. It is part of the master plan with the 3rd runway and a new North ground transportation area that will link SEA-TAC with downtown via light rail.

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RE: Seattle International?

Sun May 19, 2002 8:24 am

UA has the rights to fly SEA-LHR, so why hasn't UA tried this route? Or has it?

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RE: Seattle International?

Sun May 19, 2002 9:31 am

It did fly it. Twice actually. It started when they got the heather slots with a 763 and a 747sp. Then they cut it for a few months. Started again and then cut it for good. The slots went to ORD/SFO/LAX/JFK/IAD/EWR.
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