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UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 12:44 am

United in October will shift their JFK nonstops to Buenos Aires (which I think has already been dropped) and Sao Paulo over to IAD.

This will provide better feed for the flights.
 
PizzaPolli
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RE: UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 1:46 am

This is excellent news. The more internationals from IAD the better! I always hated having to connect when I went to EZE.
 
MAH4546
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RE: UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 5:26 am

JFK-GRU has not been running for a while. It ran for two weeks in December, but since 9.11, that's it. Though it does look like those unused slots are being moved to IAD.
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RE: UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 5:37 am

Seems to make sense in the UA route strategy.....UA is not a strong player at JFK (the UA flight from JFK to HKG was also not a winner) and there are far more connection opportunities at IAD. UA also serves these South American cities out of MIA, and while that is largely an O & D market. some pax that connected at MIA will now travel via IAD.

I suppose this will leave the JFK-GRU and JFK-EZE market wide open for AA. CO should also benefit as they have direct service to Brazil from Newark, however, CO never started service to Buenos Aires due to the financial crisis in Argentina.

While it all makes sense, I am not certain that this will work for UA.......not sure why I feel that way. I hope that I am wrong!
 
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RE: UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 5:48 am

I think it makes sense. IAD simply has more feed than MIA. Passengers in the Northeast that would otherwise have to make a two-stop connection to get to MIA now only have to get to IAD; while the Miami flights will still get feed from the West Coast and MCO/TPA and have more seats available for the higher-yielding O&D traffic.
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FrequentFlier
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RE: UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 6:07 am

Unfortunate.

It does make sense in the long run for UA, though, as their JFK situation is a real mess.
 
Ezra
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RE: UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 6:19 am


Any chance that Delta will try to pick up the slack at JFK and fill these routes that United is abandoning?
 
cba
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RE: UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 6:53 am

Makes a lot more sense. UA needs to develope its IAD hub. UA has minumum feeder flights to JFK, while IAD has a lot more feed. However, IAD does not have the O&D potential that JFK does.

I don't really see DL trying to pick up the slack, as ATL has more opportunities, especially with DL's massive feed their. Delta has little domestic feed into JFK, and their trans-atlantic flights are filled by O&D traffic.

I can see AA beefing up Latin American service from JFK though. Seems like AA is trying to be everywhere these days.
 
donder10
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RE: UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 7:03 am

Good move.Consolidate at IAD.Although IAD does not have JFK's O&D base UA may get more O&D at IAD than JFK due to less competition.Is IAD in a better position geographically than JFK for transfers?
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airworthy
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RE: UA Shifting South American Flights From JFK To IAD

Sat May 18, 2002 9:33 am

O&D traffic at IAD is growing exponentially.

Remember, IAD was one of the nation's fastest growing airports in the late 1990s. This was attributable to the explosion of tech-industry growth around the N. Virginia corridor, which incidentally is the wealthiest area per capita in the nation.

Once the economy rebounds, Dulles offers the most revenue growth potential of any single hub.

With these flights, UA will have 3 GRU flights again (ORD, IAD, MIA), but only 2 out of the former 3 EZE flights (IAD, MIA).

However, I think JFK-EZE is returning for the winter season only.

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