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L1011 Freighter

Tue May 21, 2002 5:48 pm

to all:

I was recently reading a small article about the L1011 in one of the popular British a/c modelling magazines and was surprised at how few carriers operated this a/c as a freighter, especially considering how successful the trijets from MD were in this category. Any thoughts or comments as to why?
I don't recall if Lockheed even offered the L1011 as a new-build F.

Thoughts and comments appreciated.

Best regards,

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RE: L1011 Freighter

Tue May 21, 2002 8:34 pm

All L1011 Freighters were -200's, with the exception of a single -100. The fact is the DC-10 was a superior aircraft in the Freighter category. The -10 could carry a heavier payload, and fly further than the 1011. MD at the time also offered pure -10 freighters, which may have also swayed sales.

-Tommy
 
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RE: L1011 Freighter

Wed May 22, 2002 1:19 am

Ten -200s were converted by Marshall Aerospace (who also did the RAF Tanker/Freighters); the other (a -1 'lead sled' and not a -100 as KERG said) was done by Pemco who completely messed it up - cost a lot of money to be fixed by Lockheed!  Big grin

The operators of the L1011 freighters are:

Kitty Hawk International (5 in storage at VCV)
Arrow Air (4, including 2 in storage at ROS - the other two are due to be parked within the next 60 days)
Lanta Aviation (aka Caribjet) (1 at AMM, ex KHI)
TradeWinds Airlines (1, based at GSO)

The KHI birds are all ex BA; of the Arrow Air aircraft, three are ex Gulf Air and the fourth was from LTU. The TradeWinds -1 is ex Eastern.

Actually when you look at it the L1F is an excellent niche freighter with unbeatable economics with payloads in the 40 - 57 tonne range over 2500 - 3000 nm: it works out some 20% less than a DC10-30F.
 
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RE: L1011 Freighter

Wed May 22, 2002 6:26 am

Actually when you look at it the L1F is an excellent niche freighter with unbeatable economics with payloads in the 40 - 57 tonne range over 2500 - 3000 nm: it works out some 20% less than a DC10-30F. 20% less what???

How does it compair to the operating cost of the DC10-30F? Also, how much to aquire? I would think the L1011 could be picked up for much less then a DC10-30.
 
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RE: L1011 Freighter

Wed May 22, 2002 8:15 am

While the L-1011 might be very cheap to acquire, try supporting it for a while.
With nearly no spare support available around the world, this once fine aircraft is becomeing big liability.
The current largest L-1011 operator ATA, will this summer be reducing its fleet to a mere 6 examples (1x100, 5x500) as the dispatch reliability of this aircraft has become very poor. ATA has even had to cannabalise 3 aircraft parked in Victorville California to secure a steady source of spares.
The mighty L-10 is no more.

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