VH-DAQ
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"them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Tue May 21, 2002 6:17 pm

i was wondering

say on a long haul flight or somwhere with a layover where the crew can go out on the town will pilots go out with FA's or will the FA's and Pilots usually go their separate ways?

HOOroo
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ual777contrail
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Tue May 21, 2002 11:44 pm

well of coarse they go out with f/a's why do you think pilots pay so many alimonies.they dont flirt with the hotel gift shop women.i guess some due if they are pretty homely looking.
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Greg
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 12:12 am

I know a fair amount of pilots for Continental--they are anything but wild. I image their idea of a good layover is a decent bowel movement. And these guys are in their 30's!

At any rate, they can't drink....so maybe they don't want to go out and be tempted.
 
azjubilee
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 12:40 am

I love the bowel movement comment... it is very true, regularity is always important. BUT when we overnight, if it is long enough the entire crew usually goes out together. Of course, our entire crew is a grand total of 4 people, but hey, we're a crew. Most of our overnights are relatively short (under 12 hours) so no drinking is done. Even if it is close to 12 hours, nobody drinks, but we may go out to dinner. On a long layover of perhaps 15 hours we might have a drink and do some fun activity. When we flew to Charleston, SC and the overnight was long, crews would go to the beach. In Baton Rouge when the overnight is long some crews rent cars and go to New Orleans. I had a long overnight in Montreal last winter and even though it was freezing cold and sunny we went into the city and hung out for the day. But by no means do we revert to our wild college days and drink until we're so hungover the next day we swear off alcohol forever, but then proceed to do it all again that same night (nawww... never did that!!). We're professionals and when on overnights are technically working and when in the public eye, must remain composed and respectful. The hotel workers know exactly who we are when we're there, so the littlest thing can send nasty grams to headquarters.

I think at mainline carriers the attitude is a bit different. I think some of them separate the FAs and pilots, which I think is stupid. We're a crew from the moment we show at the airport to the moment we're off duty at the end of the trip. So we stick together, but once in awhile you have what we call, "slam clickers." These are people that go straight to their room and slam their door and next you hear the clicking of the locks. I personally like to hang out with my crew and enjoy getting to know my coworkers. Of course after a 7 leg day and being on duty 14 hours, all you really want to do when you get there is shower and sleep. This is usually the case and proves the regionals are on a different scale of glamor than the mainline carriers.


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AA717driver
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 2:05 am

It depends on the individual crew. With TWA, a lot of the "senior" F/A's were "slam-click'ers"(you didn't see them until crew pickup). I also had some incredibly fun layovers thanks to the F/A's.

I always invite the entire crew to go out unless it is obvious that they have no interest. I have had many comments by them as to how rare it is for the cockpit to invite them out.

I have found that socializing with the F/A's gives each group a chance to learn a little more about the 'challenges' we face each day. This also improves communication for the rest of the trip.TC
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lewis
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 4:38 am

Since I have stayed in layovers many times with crews because of my parents (both crew members) I have noticed something. Older FAs go together since they have different tastes and usually take the older pilots with them. younger (in age) crew members tend to go together because they like to do different things. Ocassionally, the whole crew can go out together. Men also like to go in other places than women (ie. In Bangkok, women would stay around the swimming pool, in the health club or go shopping, while men were in the hotel bar, slept or went for a massage..)
 
travatl
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 5:41 am

I assure you - pilots and flight attendants do indeed hang out with one another (if their layovers match), and do indeed drink together. I barely survived my early twenties.

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rootsgirl
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 6:54 am

I'm still having a hard time surviving! 90% of our pilots and flight attendants hang out on layovers. We have tons of fun together. Sometimes we just do dinner and on long layovers we whoop it up at the clubs, dancing the night away.

Of course, most of the married pilots say " good thing my wife is not here, she would kill me" and I wonder why they are so paranoid? Is dancing doing something wrong? Not in my eyes. These poor fellas seem pretty whipped by their wives. But, it's all good - and quite harmless.
 
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 1:00 pm

Hello RootsGirl,

The Condor German Airlines Crew hangs out here in LAS for a week, they love to bid the LAS trips.....a funny story happened on Condor, the pilot radioed in to our OPS and the OPS Agent said is there anything else we can do for you ?
He said sure, have a convertible waiting for me at customs....

He spotted me and asked if his car was here and was upset that we did not go out to rent a car for him during his final approach....

I said the car rental agencies frown on taking cars from the lot without a credit card guarantee....

I guess you had to be there !

 
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 1:33 pm

At Singapore Airlines on the B744 fleet very very rarely would we mix. The B777 fleet is much better and the A310 better still, maybe it has something to do with numbers.
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pi

Wed May 22, 2002 2:19 pm

In my experience, UA pilots and FAs customarily try to hang out together if we're scheduled at the same layover hotel (which is not always the case). Sometimes, however, their layovers may be quite a bit shorter than our's and vice versa, and in that case they'd prefer to just stay in their rooms.

For the most part, I think UA has kool pilots.
 
VH-DAQ
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 6:04 pm

thanks for the comments!

what about qantas crew? does anyone know about that??

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rootsgirl
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 9:41 pm

Hey Lasbagman,

Well, that one pretty much tops the pile for "attitude". There are a few "attitude" stories that we can share, but the names would have to be changed to protect the guilty -ha! ha!

Well, I am off to London tomorrow for a week and I am not yet sure what my June schedule will be. If I'm coming back through I will let you know.

As for the white bellies. Some of our aircraft ( the JU's) once belonged to Canada 3000. The bellies are white and some of the engines are red. Although TDQ ( new one for SSV) also has red engines and it was never part of the C-3000 fleet.

 
lmml 14/32
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Wed May 22, 2002 9:54 pm

Through experience, I guess it all boils up to who your crew mates are. Since I don't get to choose my crew every layover (and we don't do a lot) is different. I am very choosy with whom I hang out so in my case my layovers can be a gamble. These days when I get a layover I see who the crew is and if I don't like what I see I simply change the flight. Most crew mates have now got accustomed to my system and I get inundated with calls for a change of duty even before I am aware that I have a rostered layover ! But most have been OK. Now to the original question: you find pilots who invite fa's for dinner or drinks others that try to bum them.
 
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Thu May 23, 2002 6:38 pm

Hey i know bout Qantas.
Yer they sure do hang out, or as i have seen in AKL. There hotel has recently shifted my bestfriend was telling me, to the Metropolis..a 5 star hotel, where Singapore Airlines also stay. An sometimes, the odd UA crew.

And Ejazz...
I have been told something totally different, and seen it with my own eyes. The SQ crews that come to AKL always hang out together. constantly in one anothers rooms. They always go out on the town, and regularly go together to the duty free stores, and NewMarket, much like Qantas's.

Cheers
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Ejazz
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Thu May 23, 2002 8:23 pm

Mike,

Yes, the cabin crew usually stay together and the flight crew do the same but very rarely do we mix. Its not that I wouldn't like to but many IFS's will not allow it plus with all the sexual harrassment and outraging of modesty ( it actually exists ) cases being brought up by the naive and vain girls its possibly not worth it.

We used to share hotels quite often which allowed better interaction, but the cabin crew do have a reputation of being kicked out, especially because of their habit of cooking in the room which has generated some awful smells and set off fire alarms. Where we share though and where a crew room is made available, yes we will mix.

It's something I wish would change but this has existed since I joined.
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Fri May 24, 2002 1:16 am

I have had the chance to have a couple of drinks with the pilots and a few F/A's of United Airlines, in a pub down in Sydney back in March. They seemed to spend alot of time together during their stay in Sydney. A very fun group of people for sure!
 
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Fri May 24, 2002 1:23 am


when I was working as a f/a, the hole crew went out together most times. exept as some said, you really didn´t like what you saw. or when you were just too tired because hte flights were stressy, messy or whatever gets you down. but in the cases we all went out we really had so much fun. it´s good for the job, too I guess. Because you get to known your crew better, so working with them will get easier mostly. Sure, there are those "click-lockers" (new word for me but great) that you won´t see ´till pick-up time. but they were minority.
 
IAHERJ
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RE: "them And Us" Culture Between The Pilots And FA's

Fri May 24, 2002 2:37 am

Continental Express crews always stay in the same hotel. We have many layovers in excess of 32 hours. Almost every Mexico city has a 32 hour layover and many of our domestic stations have 24 plus hour layovers. It depends on the crew as to what is done on an overnight. I could tell you some stories but not on a public forum. My experiences with big CAL crews is that they tend to vary like anyone else. Some of my longest nights on an extended layover involved partying with some mainline crews (both f/a's and pilots).

Company policy is to put us close to the airport on layovers less than 12 hours and to put us up downtown in very nice hotels on longer stays. Just last night we stayed in Wichita Kansas downtown at a Raddison which is a 80 year old renovated hotel. It was beautiful and in the middle of the downtown area where some neat bars/restaurants were. I have to say that the majority of our layovers are nice and most crews are still young and adventuresome. Again, I'd love to tell some of the stories!
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