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World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 10:13 am

I know when Singapore Airlines starts new non-stop service from Singapore to Los Angeles and San Franciso with new Airbus A340-500 aircraft that will be the world's longest flight taking 17 hours but what are the current world's longest flights.

Also when SQ those start the new non-stop flights will they still fly Boeing 747-400 aircraft to LAX and SFO with stops in Taipei and Tokyo.

 
bkkair
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 10:49 am

This is a good question. I've seen alot of posts the past few days mentioning that on the SQ flights from SIN-HKG-SFO, almost all the passengers from SIN get off in HKG. Same with SIN-TPE-LAX. If the information these people have is accurate then there are very few passengers travelling from SIN-SFO and SIN-LAX each day.

I have no information to back this up but alot of the "SQ" experts have been posting these numbers lately.

 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 10:58 am

The ORD-HKG flight I took last month had a flight time of a little over 16 hours. That's pretty darn long I would say.

It's actually one of the longest flights there is.
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Lindy
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 11:19 am

Yes, ORD-HKG is the longest flight right now.

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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 11:20 am

While it is true that many passengers seems to be getting off or on at HKG and TPE . . . could it be because many of them take advantage of the opportunity to stop-over in these cities for a short break (both on the outbound and inbound sectors).

Many friends I know who flew from SIN to SFO and LAX stopover in places such as HKG, TPE and NRT. I do the same with JAL enroute to HNL . . . and I think it is far better than a long red-eye flight.

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Pendrilsaint
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 11:43 am

What about Atlanta to Tokyo? is it even non stop...
 
Spark
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 12:05 pm

From what I understand, the Continental EWR-HKG transpolar flight is the longest scheduled flight. When Singapore scheduled the HKG-LAS they said it was the longest route, but on the great circle mapper its shorter than New York to Hong Kong.

SIN-LAX will be the longest if they schedule it (and longest flight I could concieve any airline possibly flying (maybe HKG-ATL if that was possible).
Is SQ going to continue both SIN-HKG-SFO and SIN-ICN-SFO along with SIN-SFO?
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 12:28 pm

Longest Routes In The World

JFK-HKG = 15h 45m - (discontinued by United, to be started by Cathay)
EWR-HKG = 15h 40m - (Continental)
ATL-JNB = 15h 25m (South African)

 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 12:34 pm

The ATL- NRT is nonstop... 14 hours, 5 minutes total flight time.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 12:39 pm

I forgot to add the ORD-HKG flight at 15h 45m also.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 12:42 pm

Some of the longest non stops currently include
ORD HKG UA 15h 45 min
EWR HKG CO 15h 45 min
ATL JNB SA 15h 25 min
SFO SYD UA 14 h 30 min
JFK SEL KE 14 h 30 min
SYD JNB QF 14 h 10 min

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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 12:47 pm

Along these lines, what is the longest possible flight on any plane?
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 2:02 pm

SIN-LAX will be the longest if they schedule it (and longest flight I could concieve any airline possibly flying (maybe HKG-ATL if that was possible).

Currently United flies ORD-SIN. But it stops at HKG. If this was a non-stop flight, then THAT would be the longest route.
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 2:17 pm

What about Chicago-Beijing UA flight which flies over the North Pole ? How long would that be?
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 2:44 pm

Chicago-Beijing would be shorter. Chicago-Hong Kong on one of the great circle routes would fly over Beijing.
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 4:22 pm

How much would a flight from EWR-HKG cost during peak season? or whenever?
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Taipei-JFK

Wed May 22, 2002 5:38 pm

I'm surprised that no one mentioned this

CI TPE-JFK 15hr 10min outbound only, inbound via ANC

operated by A340-300, not a polar route.

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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 5:40 pm

ORD BJS UA non stop scheduled flying time is 13 hrs 40 min. About 40 min less on the return.
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Here We Go

Wed May 22, 2002 10:29 pm

Sorry, but United 895, the Nation’s Longest Scheduled Flight, Won’t Land for 16 hours.

It is noon at the United Airlines Operations and Planning Center in the bowels of Chicago O’Hare Airport - operationally, the critical moment for Flight 895, the longest scheduled flight by any U.S. Airline.
To make it the full 7.788 miles from Chicago to Hong Kong, the specially configured Boeing 747 is already crammed with 386.000 pounds of jet fuel, including several thousand pounds stuffed in extra tanks above the passenger cabin and the tail. And even with that, United’s computers are saying it is going to be tight.
The heat this summer day means it will take extra thrust to get the jumbo jet up to its cruising altitude of 37.000 feet. And even using the most direct route - which had been specially negotiated to pass through Russian and Chinese air space - United’s computers are calculating that with the expected 15 to 20 mph headwinds, there simply may not be enough fuel for the plane to make the entire trip with the expected load of passengers, baggage and freight. Not only will it have to leave behind the mail bags and two Chevrolet Corvettes that have been awaiting shipment to Hong Kong, but six passengers may be required to take another flight if all 328 holding reservations show up.
On the tarmac, a crew of 22 has been brought aboard to clean the plane, outfit every seat with magazines, blanket pillow and headsets and lay out toiletry kits and the latest newspapers for business and firs-class passengers. A catering service loads on more than three-dozen meal carts in the plane’s three galeys. Two giant tankers need 90 minutes to fill the plane’s tanks with fuel.
Meanwhile, at one end of the operations center, chief purser Maguerite Elkins is winding up her meeting in which UAL 895's 18 flight attendants have introduced themselves to each other, chosen assignments and break times by seniority and gone over details of the 16-hour flight: the expected passenger break down (14 in first class, 53 in business, 261 in oach, including one passenger in a wheelchair); the timing and menu for the three meals (including special children and vegetarian menus); and the three movies to be shown (“Blues Brothers 2000" “The Man in the Iron Mask” and “Sliding Doors” Big grin. Elkins issues a warning about “creepers,” passengers who try to sneak up from steerage into business class, and puts in a request for extra “kiddie litter” - packets of games, crayons and coloring books for the dozen kids expected on board. And she says that safety instructions this day will have to be given in both Mandarin and Cantonese in addition to English. The scrum ends with a protracted negotiation over who will handle sales from the duty-free catalogue - with so many Chinese passengers on board, Flight 895 can be expected to generate substantial commissions for the flight attendants who draw the assignment. As the attendants’ meeting is breaking up, down the hall the captain and his tree copilots are going over their route, which is expected to involve 15 hours and 11 minutes of flying time and take them so far north it actually goes off the map. As part of the deal with Russia, the cockpit crew will have to check in every 15 minutes with local controllers while in Russian airspace, even though the plane’s link to global position satellites make it unnecessary. The Russians, apparently, collect a fee for each conctact. Forecasters have warned of thunderstorms during the descent into Hong Kong. Upstairs in the terminal building, six gate agents have begun to check in passengers. As each passenger is issued a boarding card, the computer signals handlers below to release baggage from holding area - part of the new heightened security arrangements on international flights. The noon count also show that there are still 28 business and first-class passengers who have not checked in to either 895 or th a connecting flight into O’Hare - enough to solve the weight problem and free up seats for the 15 people waiting standby. Boarding begins on time, at 12:20 p.m., one hour before scheduled departure.
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RE: Here We Go

Wed May 22, 2002 10:36 pm

On OAG it says that UA895 goes for 15hr45mins... not 16hrs...

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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Wed May 22, 2002 11:51 pm

In terms of mileage...ATL-JNB by SAA is EASILY the longest flight in the world, and has been since it was inaugurated in January 2000. Don't have the numbers in front of me but it is a little over 8,400 STATUTE miles point-to-point. However due to favorable winds it typically takes less time to complete than such routes as JFK/ORD/EWR-HKG, which if I'm not mistaken are all under 8,000 statute miles (as the crow flies, if any crow could fly so far that is). Westbound, JNB-ATL requires a fuel stop in Sal, Cape Verde Islands. In fact, I just flew SAA to ATL, though out of CPT, which is a wee bit closer to ATL than JNB. A glamorous if butt-numbing route I would say.

The question of what flight is the longest is brought up at least once a month on this forum...a simple search would reveal a wealth of recent info on the topic. But as it is a pretty interesting question I don't mind adding my two cents every time....

 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Thu May 23, 2002 3:54 am

After flying 22 flights across the Pacific Ocean in the past 4 years I can vow no flight times that are listed are ever accurate! They always end up short of the scheduled flight time. Any seasoned Pacific traveller could agree with me here. I really cant think of ever meeting or exceeding flight time that is listed. I can MAYBE see the ORD-HKG flight pushing 15:45 minutes during winter months with intense and powerful jetstream winds forcing against this flight, As with any other Trans-Pacific Asian flight. But in my mind I think the ORD-HKG flight is the longest non stop flight. Maybe not in distance, but its flying time more then likely will be longer then any flights to South African. Thats due to a few simple facts. Heavy load all the time. And remaining in the same wind pattern in the northern hemisphere. When travelling to South Africa, that jet crosses through several different wind patterns and can shift from a head wind to a tail wind often, unlike the ORD-HKG flight remaining in the westerly winds. So thats my view on this!

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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Thu May 23, 2002 12:27 pm

Frostbite
Interesting point about mileage and you are right ofcourse. I have the figures with me.
ATL JNB is 8440 miles
EWR HKG 8055
ORD HKG 7791

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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Sat May 25, 2002 8:44 pm

the airbus A340-500 will help SQ fly the longest routes !!!
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Sun May 26, 2002 12:49 am

It is generally accepted that our 98/99 to HKG is the longest flight in the world.
 
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RE: World's Longest Flights =SQ

Sun May 26, 2002 5:51 am

I guess it all depends on how you define "longest" flight. You could define it by...

1. Point-to-point mileage: the most sensible to me. This is a figure which never, never varies. Unless you want to get real picky and factor in continental drift. Which should amount to a few inches every year...lol. This definition appeals to the KISS method - Keep It Simple Stupid. How far is it from A to B?

2. Actual mileage flown: this is going to vary with every flight on every route, due to everything from winds, weather, ATC, politics, even a/c type due to ETOPS restrictions, etc.

3. Time spent aloft: this will vary just like #2. If and when Boeing's Sonic Cruiser comes out, and if it were to fly the longest route worldwide mileagewise...is the feat someow less because it accomplishes it in LESS time than a slower aircraft? A hypothetical, and perhaps technically unrealistic argument (not sure of the SC's projected range), but you get my drift.

Well, it's abundantly clear where I stand on the subject. It's got to be SAA on ATL-JNB if you ask me. But hey, EWR-HKG is plenty impressive too.

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