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UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 7:12 am

It was reported that explosives were discovered in one of the toilets of flight UA 895 2 days ago but only confirmed by UA and Hong Kong Airport authorities yesterday, more details coming up.

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 7:13 am

There was a similar thread but I guess it was deleted. Where did you find such report???

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 7:17 am

This might seem like a dumb question but how on earth does this stuff happen?!
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 7:18 am

Yeah... I deleted it because the other member had absolutely no info about it and I couldn't (and still can't) find any information on it. So since the other thread had really no content and the story couldn't even be confirmed I deleted it. But this thread is fine. At least 9V-SPK gives some detail into the incident, lol. Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 7:24 am

As I'm reading a chinese newspaper, i can only translate it.

"While the United States is in fear of under terriorists attacks, Hong Kong airport securities discoverd 7 rectangle shaped explosived hidden in one of the cabinets in the toilet on flight UA895 two days ago, more than 300 passengers luckily escaped the "Possible tragedy". As it was a serious situation, Police demanded a careful search on the whole plane again, that also caused a delay for its next flight to Singapore. After examining the explosives police confirmed that the explosives have a possible danger, now under investigation.

Authorities also have no idea how the explosives could be moved to the toilet, especially after 911 when securities are so tight. They also think it is very unusual, considering that the plane is heading for BOTH Singapore and Hong Kong. Authorities are now contacting both Hong Kong and SIngapore authorities, also examining the passenger list on both flights. However they have the reason to believe that the explosives might be used as a "Commit Suicide" attack.

Ua 895, B744 1st stop SFO and then ORD, 2 days ago arrvied at HKG airport at 4:30 carrying 314 passengers and 21 crew. The plane was supposed to fly as UA805 to Singapore at 7:55pm. However when airport securities were examining the plane as usual, they discovered the 7 explosives in the toilet, each 6cm long, wrapped with black paper. Because of the serious situation, the plane had to be re-examined again but no new discoveries were found. Flight to Singapore was delayed 1 hour and 17 mins before it's flight to Singapore.


 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 7:25 am

Hey Chris! Totally agree and credits to you for deleting that. "Explosives found on UA895.........according HK news reports - end" sounds like a bogus way to get you going. If you don't have the info, ask for it in the thread!

Anyway, I've been looking for such reports but nothing so far.

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 7:26 am

And sorry for my spelling errors, gotta to to school in 5 mins and just found out the news.

I'll post some more info later today because they also included a pic in it (Chinese again).
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 10:55 am

Yeah please be more sparing in your deletions. If its a developing story, it will develop as the thread develops.

thanks,
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 11:06 am

First stop SFO, and then ORD?  Confused That is suppose to be a direct flight. SFO is not flight 895.
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 11:15 am

I agree with PANYNJ. Often when we get breaking news on this forum, it starts off with just few brief words and then gets added to as information becomes available. It's one of the ways that the CivAv forum is so popular as most of us hear about news here before anywhere else.
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 11:28 am

If this is true how come they got it out of the the USA ??
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 11:43 am

So the explosives were on board this flight in the States but only discovered in HKG?
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 11:58 am

Guys... it isn't like a plane crash. People were confused and there was no information about the story anywhere. The post had been viewed hundreds of times and all the replies were doubting its validity. The topic wasn't developing at the time. A post that is up all afternoon with no developments and people suggesting deletion gets deleted... sorry.

Thanks Frequentflyer5. Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 12:14 pm

That's not good when you find explosives in the toilet! I wonder how they got on there in the first place. It's quite fortunate that they didn't go off, I mean talk about a real sh.. disturber!

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 12:52 pm

The news said that the plane took off from SFO first, well i also felt a bit strange about that too.

Here's an annoucnement made by UA. (Picture is from the daily newspaper.)



TRANSLATION

United Airlines has confirmed yesterday (21st May) that flight UA895 from Chicago Ohare to Hong Kong, after its arrival in Hong Kong Airport securities discovered that in one of the toilets there were objects that shaped in a round comb shape. Due to security reasons United Airlines have informed the Hong Kong Airport Authorities and have reported the matters to the police.

United Airlines have always provided safety and reliable service to its passengers, and have obeyed different rules to match the security measure.

UA 895 was operated by B744 aiurcraft, carrying 314 passengers and 21 crew. After confirming that the plane is in safe condition, it has continued its flight to Singapore at 21:10pm Hong Kong time.

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 1:28 pm

I never knew that newspapers in Hong Kong are in color. If you got this off the net, I would be interested in know the web address.

Can anyone backup this report with other references?

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 1:35 pm

Hey Serge, thanks. Tabloid crap & some people must think this is funny considering what happened 9-11.

BTW, nice homepage!

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Thu May 23, 2002 1:40 pm

NP... thanks for the compliments to nukez.com, even though the design and updates have came to a halt for a few weeks...

I do not know how to read Chinese, is this story faked by a tabloid or is it genuine?

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 1:43 pm

Serge...its a tabloid. Most tabloids in Asia go along with the sports section, at least in Japan it is.

 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toil

Thu May 23, 2002 2:49 pm

Firecrackers
http://webcenter.newssearch.netscape.com/aolns_display.adp?key=200205230110000160308_aolns.src
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 2:53 pm

firecrackers = explosives...now this is making more sense.

Thanks Droneklax!

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 2:55 pm

Yes, thank you Droneklax.... no wonder it didn't make the national news!  Big grin
Still weird those could make it onto the plane though....

...Serge
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 3:10 pm

The Electric New Paper:

http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/npwo402.html

SCARE IN HONGKONG
Security sweep of plane uncovers suspicious sticks


The suspicious material was found in the plane's toilet

The seven sticks, about 6cm in length, were wrapped tightly in brown paper
May 23, 2002

COULD it have been part of a terrorist attack or was it just a prank?

For several hours on Tuesday evening, Hongkong security personnel grappled with this question as they kept passengers of a Singapore-bound plane waiting in transit.

The security staff had found seven sticks of "firecracker-like-objects" in the toilet of United Airlines Flight UA895 on a routine sweep at Chek Lap Kok airport, an HK Airport Authority spokesman told The New Paper this morning.

"They were not real explosives. The matter has been handed over to the Hongkong police for further investigation", said the spokesman.

Hongkong's Apple Daily newspaper had earlier reported that "explosives" were discovered.

They were hidden in a compartment under the sink of one of the cabin toilets, airport officials and the police told Apple Daily newspaper.

The "explosives" were described as about 6cm in length - about the size of an adult thumb - and contained a black "explosive" substance.

Closely resembling sticks of dynamite, the explosives were wrapped tightly in brown paper, the newspaper said.

335 PEOPLE ON BOARD

The Boeing 747-400 from Chicago had got there at 4.34 pm via San Francisco with 314 passengers and 21 flight crew onboard.

It was scheduled to arrive in Singapore at 7.55pm the same day.

A Hongkong airport official said it was part of Hongkong's safety procedures for security personnel to board and search a plane when it is in transit.

Prof Chao Song Wei (hanyu pinyin) from the Chinese University in Hongkong told Apple Daily said that the tightly wrapped material could intensify the blast.

Even if the blast had not been strong enough to kill anyone, it was likely to generate dense smoke that could endanger the lives of passengers, he speculated.

However, Hongkong's bomb squad told Apple Daily that the circumstances surrounding this case were peculiar, and indicated that further investigations with Singapore and the US need to be carried out.

Hongkong police and United Airlines spokesmen would not comment further.

A more intensive search for other dangerous materials was carried out but revealed nothing further.

The flight finally took off for Singapore at 9.12pm, more than an hour late.

After last year's tragedy in New York, this incident comes as another blow to United Airlines security.

A spokesman maintained that security has been very tight since Sept 11. He could not, however, explain how the objects could have therefore come to be in the plane.

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 3:12 pm

This event prove that the extremely high security measures at US airports is useless. The security measure at HK airport is quite good. US government should investigate why such events happens.
And the security board of Hong Kong Government said that it is a minor case today. Hong Kong Government are..........................................
I think the Chief Executive should be the passenger of that plane. Then this event is very serious. I don't know what HK government are thinking!
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 3:48 pm

OMG.. you have got to be kidding me. I just received an email from forum moderator "174thFWff" concerning the removal of my post:

"http://appledaily.atnext.com

*filler crap*
*filler crap*
*filler crap*
*filler crap*
*filler crap*
*filler crap*

..Serge"

And my post was in response to

"I would be interested in know the web address.
Can anyone backup this report with other references?"

The moderator sent this little personal message:
"Please input more valuable
information then a website
and "*filler crap*". Don't do
that again."

What is this site coming to? This is rediculous....

...Serge
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toil

Thu May 23, 2002 4:50 pm

So HKG has better security, even while checking on a transit flight, than the supposedly strict US customs? IMO, this incident just shows how lax US security is. And especially after 9/11....
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 6:24 pm

Something sounds a bit strange here regarding this flight. Why does HK sources keep saying 895 is from Chicago direct through San Francisco? 895 as everyone knows in Non stop. If I am not mistaken, flight 805 originates in Los Angeles then up to San Francisco and then onto HK. I dont think ORD has a part what so ever in flight 805. Little mess ups like that make this story seem cheap.
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 9:49 pm

Was it because the plane was a flight from SFO to ORD? Maybe it was a normal U.S domestic flight, not too sure about it.

So what's the flight number for HKG - SIN? Is it 895 or 805 then?

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 10:10 pm

This was reported on the 7:30pm news. Apparently they were firecrackers, and were found inside the toilet after the ORD-HKG flight. This is the same flight 895 my sister & a few friends took when they departed to & returned from Chicago a couple of months ago. Crikey!

How is that security personnel in the US didn't detect these firecrackers on whoever was carrying them? Shocking...

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 10:14 pm

Ok Airliners.net is reporting the story now in todays newsletter. It was seven firecrackers tiny little paper tubes that are difficult to spot by an x-ray machine. Hong Kong authorities are guessing that they where abandoned by a passenger who discovered then in their carryon. They had no fuses and although it is embarassing this is not as big a deal as this post is making it out to be.

FYI a developing thread is not IMO a thread w/ a bunch of hysterical rantings about lax securty like this one has been. Reign in the panic people, you end up looking foolish.
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 10:43 pm

UA895 is supposed to be nonstop ORD-HKG (according to SABRE). Did it fuel stop at SFO?
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Thu May 23, 2002 10:59 pm

I hope I can help ref flight numbers.

UA 895 arrives HKG at 17.15pm non stop from Chicago.

UA 805 arrives HKG at 18.05 pm non stop from SFO. The connection from LAX to SFO uses the same flight number but a different airplane.

All pax have to deplane at HKG.

One of these two 747-400s then continues to SIN as flight 805.

The other overnights in HKG.

 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Fri May 24, 2002 12:09 am

I have been on this flight several times, UA895 ORD-HKG-ORD. This is a non-stop flight and no way it would stop at SFO per the daily flight routes.

 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Fri May 24, 2002 12:47 am

Hmm,

Not good for UA, considering the recent trouble with the plane that too 3 + attempts to get back to the US with various failures etc

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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Fri May 24, 2002 3:11 am

I think the media got some things confused, that's all...

UA 895 is nonstop ORD-HKG.
UA 805 is LAX-SFO-HKG-SIN with the LAX-SFO portion being B737 service and SFO-HKG and HKG-SIN B744 service, with plane change in HKG.

The media must have known that the HKG-SIN segment was a continuation of the SFO-HKG flight and with the knowledge that the 895 flight was from ORD, they mistook 895 to be ORD-SFO-HKG. There could never be any fuel stop or even emergency stop at SFO for ORD-HKG nonstop because ORD-HKG uses the polar route and SFO is way out of its way, even if it used a more southerly route.
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Fri May 24, 2002 4:52 am

Those damn exploding tampons, again...
At least from the rendering that's what it looks like...
 
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RE: UA 895 ORD - HKG Discovered Explosives In Toilet!

Sat May 25, 2002 2:57 pm

Does anyone think that the firecrackers are abandoned by passengers? At US airport, all luggage is examined manually, not by machine! Such items should be discovered by the security guards! I think it is an unsucessful attack!