ren41
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This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Sat May 25, 2002 11:55 am


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Photo © Josef P. Willems



This is one of the best shots I've ever seen.
One word to describe this shot would be: Wow!

Great Work Josef!

R41
 
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Sat May 25, 2002 12:08 pm

Wow, this is amazing. Great picture!
 
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Sat May 25, 2002 12:21 pm

Anybody have an idea of the registration on this one? It looks like an SUD but, beyond that, I can't tell. I think it is probably a combi, too, since all of KLM's SUDs are combis as far as I know.
 
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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Sat May 25, 2002 12:44 pm

That is an amazing picture, absolutely breathtaking...great job.

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Sat May 25, 2002 12:55 pm

Awesome pic! Definitely worthy of a wallpaper!  Big thumbs up
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Sat May 25, 2002 1:41 pm

This truely is an amazing photo.

But just one thing: i wonder how friendly this aircraft really is to the environment. From first glance i would have guessed that this was a B707 or DC-8.  Insane LOL!
 
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Sat May 25, 2002 1:44 pm

The next post will be:

"Don't you know that this is not smoke but just clouds and a 747 is actually pretty good to the environment...blablabla!"

Still, amazing picture! But nothing for Greenpeace. They won't understand!
 
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Sat May 25, 2002 1:55 pm

This is one of the best shots I've ever seen on airliners, and that says a lot about the picture!! Kudos to the photographer Josef  Big thumbs up

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Sat May 25, 2002 2:40 pm

wow that is an amazing sight!!
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Sat May 25, 2002 3:35 pm

Fantastic, absolutely beautiful!
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Sat May 25, 2002 3:49 pm

Mr. Willems should enter this picture in AV Weeks annual photo contest. It would be a shoe in.
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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Sat May 25, 2002 3:55 pm

The "smoke" you usually see coming from an airplane's engines are just clouds being scattered by the engines as they go through them.
 
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Sat May 25, 2002 6:21 pm

It´s almost impossible to comment on this picture.
Absolutely amazing!!!

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Sat May 25, 2002 6:44 pm

Stunning photo! One of the best i've ever seen!
 
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Sat May 25, 2002 6:49 pm

This picutere is, without any doubt, the most unusual and artistic picture I've ever seen.

This really one awesome picture.

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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Sat May 25, 2002 6:56 pm

It is a great photo indeed.
Poor passengers, they might have thought their plane is on fire!! Big thumbs up
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Sat May 25, 2002 7:06 pm

Breath taking!!!! Absolutely breath taking!!!
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Sat May 25, 2002 7:20 pm

Awesome!
Just Awesome!  Big thumbs up
 Smokin cool
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Sat May 25, 2002 9:06 pm

It is...(right click)...a wonderful...(Set As Background)...picture!!!(click)
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Sat May 25, 2002 10:29 pm

Tekelberry-

Actually, that is condensation. The aircraft is probably flying at the point where water condenses, forming it's gassy counterpart, condensation, and then it will freeze, forming ice. It is not cloud.

This is a great photo, but how environmentally clean is that aircraft? To me it looks like there must have been a fuel leak or something.

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Sat May 25, 2002 10:32 pm

That is one nice pic for sure! Never though contrails could get this big

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Sun May 26, 2002 1:19 am

This picture is one of the best in-flight photos I've ever seen! Amazing on how large those contrails can be!  Big thumbs up
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Sun May 26, 2002 1:26 am

One word: NNNNNNNNICE!!!!  Big thumbs up
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Sun May 26, 2002 1:31 am

The only way i can describe this photo is WOW!!  Wow! I never knew contrails can be that big. 747 contrails seem to be the best.

Fantastuc pic anyway!!

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Sun May 26, 2002 1:33 am

Where abouts did you take it?
 
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Sun May 26, 2002 1:44 am

I agree with everybody else on this topic. A fantastic photo.
And to those worrying about the environment, I think what you see
on this photo is condensation (plain water). Not so threatening.
 
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Sun May 26, 2002 1:45 am

What is really amazing is that when you put it on the large photo size settings, you can really see just how violent those contrails are. You can also see little wingtip vortices as well.
 
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Sun May 26, 2002 2:48 am

> The aircraft is probably flying at the point where water condenses,
> forming it's gassy counterpart, condensation, and then it will freeze, forming ice.

Blink182,

I presume that this point of condensation is determined by various factors, like air pressure, temperature, engine power(?),...

Sometimes you have the contrails at high altitude, sometimes you don't. What is more of a determining factor for this difference in phenomena, the changes in pressure or the changes in temperature?

How much can the temperature vary at high altitude? -70 dc to -20 dc?
How much can the air pressure vary at such? 900 mb to 1000 mb?

> then it will freeze, forming ice.

What happens if another plane flies into a (fresh) contrail? Is this any different from flying through a cloud?

Regards,

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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Sun May 26, 2002 3:24 am

Wow, awesome shot.

As far as I know, this is absolutely not SMOKE from the engines. This is only freezing H2O.

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Sun May 26, 2002 3:27 am

WW OO WW
Just awesome!!
Just take a look how four contrails merge into two big wake vortexes [sp??]. And also note the breaking of sunlight between the two vortexes...

So most likely this picture was taken from the flightdeck of an airliner flying a reciprocatal course. So these two aircraft would have a closing speed of up to 2000 km/h !! Way to go to take a pic like this... Jozef, what was the shutter speed?

PS Don't tell anyone that contrails are perfectly environmental frienldy... it is still not yet established if these contrails [even when they exist of 100% water...] will or will not cause global warming. The idea is that they will form a sort of cloudblanket, preventing earths energy from being radiated into space... on the other hand, the contrails also prevent sun radiation to reach the earth. But shielding sun radition off occurs only roughly for 12 hours a day [not at night], while the blanket effect occurs for 24 hrs a day. And these types of planes are known to fly at night... The balance is thought to swing over towards the global warming effect [I'll stand corrected if someone can prove me wrong].

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Sun May 26, 2002 3:30 am

I am wondering from what plane this photo is taken. A fighterjet? A business jet? It is not a civil airliner I think, since the photographer says the aircraft is only 1000 ft below. And I also don't think it is taken from a (small) propeller aircraft, since it is taken at flightlevel 350. Does anybody have more information about it?

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Sun May 26, 2002 4:40 am

PH-BFA
As I've just stated in my previous post, I would think that this pic was taken from the flight deck of an airliner flying an opposite course.
Today with RVSM [Reduced Vertical Separation Minimums], it is perfectly legal [and safe!] for airliners to fly reciprocal headings on the same airway with only 1000ft vertical separation.
But maybe the photographer will correct my assumptions if I'm wrong.

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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Sun May 26, 2002 4:41 am

Its a great shot, and I see some people are taking some silly comments too seriously *cough* Blink182 *cough*. Big grin
 
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Sun May 26, 2002 6:24 am

A W E S O M E !!


 Big thumbs up

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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Sun May 26, 2002 10:17 am

One of the best, if not the best, shot I have ever seen on this site.

Excellent work, it only will make me work harder photographing airliners.

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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Sun May 26, 2002 10:29 am

Great picture!

With regards to pollution etc, I saw an article on the Guardian website which explained that one passenger on a jet to New York would use the same amount of fuel as one car driver would use in a year in the UK!!!!
(unfortunately I can't find this article but I will look tomorrow..its late here now!!)

The point they made in the article, which made me laugh, was that people go on evironmental holidays to far off places where the actual flight negates any good you do while you are there  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
PS Ren41 - Hiya, been to Logan recently?? (he'll know what I mean!)  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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Wed May 29, 2002 5:40 pm

Thank you all for the appreciation of my photo! Until yesterday I didn't even notice that there are several forum threads about that.
First, when I saw the contrails myself, I didn't believe they were true. Even the captain admitted never having seen contrails that large. The reason in this case is a unusual high humidity of the air above the closed layer of clouds below. Then there's the 747 without wingtips, causing (visibly) powerful wake vortices. As I remember, there has also been a strong crosswind.
I'm still working out what's the registration of this 747. I've contacted a colleague who was a flight engineer with KLM, maybe he can help.

Rgds

Josef





 
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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Wed May 29, 2002 10:04 pm

So how did you take the picture? Front window of plane passing in opposite direction?
 
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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Wed May 29, 2002 10:28 pm

All I can say is that it makes a great wall paper.
Where will you spend eternity? He,s more real then you think!!!!!
 
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RE: This Is Why I Love Airplanes!

Thu May 30, 2002 7:13 am

You're right! Front right window of A320, KLM was on same airway below flying opposite direction.

Rgds

Josef