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TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sat May 25, 2002 10:29 pm

The Financial Times Deutschland reports that Preussag, the mother companyof TUI will enter into talks with Airbus and Boeing in about 9 months regarding an aquisition of 80 planes for delivery until 2010. A decision will be made mid-next year and will involve fleet requirements for Hapg-Lloyd, Britannia, NEOS, White Eagle Aviation and Corsair. Part of the order will be covered by leasing the planes.

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sat May 25, 2002 10:32 pm

I guess more B737/800 for medium/short-haul, maybe some B737/900 with an extra emergency exit and A330/200 for long-haul.

 
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sat May 25, 2002 11:18 pm

Hm, I think they will go only for one of them. I count on Airbus. They mostly have Boeing now but they need a refreshment.

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sat May 25, 2002 11:24 pm

I expect an all Boeing order.
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sat May 25, 2002 11:27 pm

I guess that would include replacements for HF´s 310s and SS´s 747s? Hmm, they operate already 767 (BY) and 330 (SS). It will be interesting to see the outcome. Don´t holiday airlines LOVE the 757/767 family for their economics? The cargo handicap isn´t that important for this type of airline.

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 3:24 am

Who is SS?
I hope this isn't a german airline...don't think it will be very popular in "die Niederlande". Nothing personal, I did not experiance wwII [neither did my parents, but SS is still extremely sensitive in the Netherlands.

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 3:37 am

SS=Corsair, Homebase: Paris Orly
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 4:40 am

Thomas_Jaeger

Thanks for clarifying that!
I believe they fly 2 ex KLM 742's or have they been phased out by now?

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 5:14 am

I'm hoping for an all-Boeing order!!
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 5:47 am

While part of Preussag Hapag Lloyd were very reluctant to pursue a "single supplier" fleet strategy because it leaves the airline somewhat "captive" to one manufacturer in future fleet decisions. If you have a single supplier fleet it is a major upheaval to introduce a new type, plus you are unlikely to be able to negotiate the best deals for follow-on orders if you have a single supplier fleet.

It is unclear whether TUi takes the same view or not...

The TUi fleets are as follows
Britannia B757/B767
Britannia AB B737/B767
Hapag Lloyd B737/A310
Corsair B737/A330/B747
Neos B737
White Eagle B737

I think there's a possibility of orders for the B737-900X and A330-200, and possibly the B777/A340 for Corsair to replace their ageing B747 fleet.

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 7:39 am

boeing shorthaul, airbus longhaul
 
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 1:12 pm

. I count on Airbus. They mostly have Boeing now but they need a refreshment.

And how would ordering new Airbus' over new Boeings be a "refreshment"????
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 8:16 pm

The A330 is 10 years younger than the 767, the A320 20 years younger than the 737..
 
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 8:42 pm

If Corsair belongs to Preussag/TUI group, do we see a 747SP in the new TUI livery in the future?
 
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 11:33 pm

Racko
The A330 is 10 years younger than the 767, the A320 20 years younger than the 737..

They will order 737NGS which are younger than the A320 and as the 767/ A330 true (nothing has really been done to the 767 200 and 300), but now there is the 400 and 777 200 so the age thing is not only rediculous but it has no foundation especially when one looks at the 737 600- 900 family which has successfully carry on the name of the 737 family.

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Sun May 26, 2002 11:41 pm

Most European charter companies, aswell as Air Transat and Canada 3000 have chosen for the A330, the A330 clearly took the lead over the 767. I can imagine the range and extra seating being one of the reasons, aswell as the € to $ rate. Wich of both aircarft is the more expensive one when looking at the listed price?
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 12:14 am

It will finally come down to the price, I could imagine a mix of further B737-800, coupled with A321-200s for higher-density routes with the B737-900X being possible, too. For long-haul requirements the A330-200/300 will make the race, the B767 is no longer the ideal fit as several charter carriers have shown in the past. The cargo capacity IS of importance on a number of flights, especially from Germany towards the Carribean and destinations in the Indian Ocean where they bring in many goods.

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 12:40 am

"They will order 737NGS which are younger than the A320"

If i take a Golf I, put a rear wing on it and label it as Golf NG, is it also newer than a 2002 BMW M3 ?
 
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 1:53 am

Corsair B747-300 should be replaced within 4 or 5 years.
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 2:42 am

"If i take a Golf I, put a rear wing on it and label it as Golf NG, is it also newer than a 2002 BMW M3 ?"

I agree with Racko here, although the 737NG is apparently younger than the A320, a great deal of it's technology remains 1960s (in the same way that a great deal of the 747-400's technology is 1970s etc...).

Anyway here at Britannia we have simply been told the 767-400 and A330-200 are being considered for longhaul fleet expansion (with a view to ultimate replacement). The A330 is thought to be the favourite.

Whether the shorthaul fleet (757s) would then in future become A320/321 aircraft is anyone's guess.

From a totally selfish point of view, I hope we stick with the 757/767, but that is unlikely.  Sad
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 12:47 pm

I thought Corsair was owned by the French tour operator Nouvelle Frontieres. Does Nouvelles belong to Preussag also?

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 2:28 pm

Racko: No, but it's a lot newer than a 1987 Renault Big grin.

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Racko

Mon May 27, 2002 3:11 pm

That same 2002 BMW M3 is still at heart a 3 series, thusly derived from a 3 an E21 ~1981ish 320i?

Following your logic, the 2002 M3, one of the best handling production cars ever made, is old, tired, and outdated.

I don't think anyone would make the above claim.

The new M3 is much like the my old 3 series, both have 4 wheels, a steering wheel, brakes, and even an engine.

So that 737Ng is exactly like the 737Classics, since they share the same cabin diameter!

I guess the only thing that would make the new M3 new and good is having 5 wheels, or no engine, something completely different from the older 3 series??? I dare say you are wrong.

Whomever calls the 737NG old technology has no idea what they are talking about.

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 9:55 pm

I agree to Airblue: 737-800 and eventually -900X for short- and medium haul plus A330-200 for long haul.

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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 10:08 pm

Corsair is flying some of the most densely seated 747s so A340s or 777s cannot fill their place. For me Corsair is a hot candidate to become a secondhand operator of 744s in a few years, taking some early SIA planes perhaps.
 
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 10:14 pm

Corsair belongs to Nouvelles Frontieres which is part of PREUSSAG.
 
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RE: TUI To Order 80 Planes!

Mon May 27, 2002 11:47 pm

How long do you think it will be until the airlines are all renamed something like TUI International/TUI Airways/Air TUI etc?

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