redngold
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Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Mon May 27, 2002 11:56 am

Admin: I posted here because I see other spotter postings on this forum. Aviation Hobby seems to be rather restricted to flight sim hobbyists.

I am petitioning the City Council of Cleveland, via Councilman Martin J. Sweeney, to build an "aircraft viewing area" north of the airport near the former 100th Bomb Group site. We have discussed the need for a better spotting area and I am now taking action to bring this to the attention of the powers that be in this city.

Councilman Sweeney is Ward 20 Councilman. Hopkins Airport is in Ward 20.

Please e-mail me at bandimal@yahoo.com or send a letter Coucilman Sweeney at the following address:

Councilman Martin J. Sweeney
Cleveland City Hall
601 Lakeside Avenue NE
Cleveland OH 44114

Thank you for your consideration.
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IMissPiedmont
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Mon May 27, 2002 12:18 pm

Good luck Elizabeth. When you visit my area, call me. I'll show you around. Lot's to see in the desert.
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Mon May 27, 2002 12:21 pm

Would it be better if we were constituents or can we write regardless of where we live?
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Mon May 27, 2002 1:25 pm

Is this temporary situation during runway construction, a "permanent" elimination of a spotting sight, or a "to be determined" type of situation-- how has CLE left it-- my guess is unresolved/inconclusive.

PS Any word or rumor on new CLE airport director?? I heard a quote from Campbell a month ago that she was 2 weeks away from naming a new director. Well, what a terrible no win situation as it currently stands-- sure seems like tough position to fill. If I were a good airport director, it would be about the last airport I would want to run-- what with all the city politics-- and the tremendous hole the airport is in due to years of neglect, undermaintenance, under-recruiting of airlines.
 
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Mon May 27, 2002 2:05 pm

I wish the outside portion of the observation deck was still open. It isn't all that bad to see takeoff's and landing's.
 
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 1:34 am

To answer questions:

AerLingus: I was taking signatures from *anyone* who was out there this weekend, as long as they were over 18 years of age (for legal reasons.) I think we can use all the support we can get on this, however, if you are far away from Cleveland you might have difficulty convincing Councilman Sweeney that you are going to be viewing aircraft at our airport.

NCFlyer: It is indeed "unresolved/inconclusive." Councilman Sweeney was asked about a viewing area before and gave the standard "I don't know, I'll look into it" answer. I am providing something for him to look at. As to your other question, the Port Control/Airport Director's job is still "up in the air" as far as I know but Mayor Campbell has been in negotiations with the director of another large airport, I'm thinking Indianapolis???

Frequentflykid: The spectator deck is currently closed to ALL airport visitors except for those holding tickets on Delta, United, AirCanada Jazz, or Southwest Airlines, or their "commuter" affiliates. In other words, you must pass through the Concourse B security checkpoint first. And I doubt they'll reopen the open-air section unless the city is willing to pay for tall glass screens so you can't just lean over and drop something onto the ramp areas (not like I would ever do that, but...)


to everyone: I gathered 104 signatures over this past weekend, now I've got to talk to the Councilman. Any letters or e-mails to the Councilman would be greatly appreciated. And remember, don't whine, don't get angry in your letter, because we're asking the city to do something "free" for us (although I have several points about education, public confidence, etc. which I will be making as well.)

Regards,
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 1:59 am

How many signatures are needed for a good argument as to build a new spectator deck?
I'd love to sign but I am only 14.5 years old. Guess I'll just send an email.
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 3:10 am

Redngold, I am aware of all of that. That was the ONE (and only plus) of flying Southwest over the weekend. Never again.....
 
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 4:20 am

Soku39: An e-mail would be good. But remember, I'm not asking for a new spectator deck at the airport. I am asking for a viewing area adjacent to the airport, possibly off the newly aligned Brookpark Road, possibly as far away as the raised earthen bank between I-480 and the Rental Car facility.

Frequentflykid: What, you don't like Southwest? Come on, join in with me... Moo... baaahh... Whinneeeeee.... *snort*

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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 5:53 am

Do any of you know where the new bomb group restaurant would be built? It would be nice to take photos from it if it were built close to the approach path. Or atleast park (or have parents park  Big grin ) there and be able to walk to the the new aircraft viewing local.
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 6:13 am

Redngold, I am aware of all of that. That was the ONE (and only plus) of flying Southwest over the weekend. Never again.....

Can we hold you to that?
 
redngold
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 7:10 am

New bomb group restaurant is to be built off Old Grayton Road, 700 yards west of the original. They say it will have a glass atrium on the second floor. I say, I don't even see a foundation yet.

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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 11:51 am

A bomb group restaurant? Just asking but could it possibly be a 94th Aero Squadron restaurant? I know that's not a bomb group, but if that's who it is, I would suggest you go there and enjoy the escargot and onion soup. Drool.
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 12:22 pm

I don't get it "can you hold me to that." Sorry, a little lost. However, yes, you can hold me too that. It's a damn good airline, as far a business outlook, but it's not for the frequent flier, put it that way. I did get to fly the Shamu plane ORF-BWI. When I boarded the F/A said hello and I said "I hope this Shamu doesn't want to swim today." (Since we would fly out over the Atlantic) She replied, "No, she likes to fly.....I hope." I thought it was funny, guess you had to be there.
 
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Wed May 29, 2002 12:38 pm

FFkid...what did you mean by "never again" then? It works fine for me FF wise....free trip after 4 internet bookings, unrestricted travel....it's pretty hard to beat.
 
usa4624
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Thu May 30, 2002 2:43 am

What happened to the obervation deck on top of the Hopkins Terminal? I remember there being one back in 1992...
 
redngold
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RE: Petition For Cleveland Hopkins Spotters

Thu May 30, 2002 2:46 am

USA -- the spectator deck has been closed to the general public since 9/11. The open air section is "permanently" closed due to security restrictions. You must have a ticket for Southwest, Delta, United, AirCanada, or one of the affiliated regional carriers, since the deck is beyond the Concourse B security checkpoint.

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