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Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 1:24 pm

There is more good news from Qantas this week following last weeks "Beds in Business Class".

Qantas is to increase capacity on it's Singapore and Europe routes as part of it's new Northern Winter Schedule.

Highlights of the changes are as follows,

From Dec 2002 3 new flights between Australia and London Heathrow, using 747 aircraft

5 x weekly new services between Sydney & Singapore using 767-300's

5 x weekly new services between Melbourne & Singapore using 767-300's

3 x weekly Perth to Rome via Singapore using new two-class reconfigured 747-400 aircraft

3 x weekly Perth to Paris via Singapore using new two-class reconfigured 747-400 aircraft

An upgrade on Brisbane to Singapore flights from 767-300's to 747-300's

An upgrade on 1 daily Perth to Singapore fights from 767-300's to 747-400's

Full details of all these change can be found on the Qantas Website.

This is good news for the Australian Carrier, and more importantly Perth and Brisbane Passengers, as they will now see more or new 747 services from these cities.

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IndianicWorld
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 1:48 pm

I wonder if perth is experiencing the Emirates effect....Qantas is trying to defend its territory for the PER population will have EK in Aug.
 
Mr.BA
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 2:44 pm

2 class configured B747-400?
Boeing747 万岁!
 
ZK-NBT
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 2:48 pm

Yep I believe QF will remove First from about 6 744's. Don't no which ones but i'm guessing it will be the newer OJ series from OJP through OJU.

Good for QF I guess their will be no more 300's to Europe then!
These 400's will also replace the 200's on other Asian routes aswell as trans tasman I guess.
 
Oz777
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 2:58 pm

The 747-400's that are being re-configured into a busines/economy cabin. The work on the 747's is being done by Air New Zealand, and also includes upgrades to the IES.

Oz777
 
ZK-NBT
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 3:25 pm

Do you what the rego's of the aircraft being done are? When are they going to be in service?
 
flying-b773
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 4:27 pm


so the paris and the rome flights would not be from syd/bne than.. will QF17 and QF 15 stay?

with the upgrade with a daily per-sin to 744, that leaves the route with 1 767 to hkg, and 1 744 to europe, or is there like a 3 daily? thats a lot of capacity..
 
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 4:48 pm

I would hardly call it an 'upgrade' by replacing B767s with 747-300s on the BNE-SIN route. What about all the threads containing comments about how old and uncomfortable the QFB743s are in their current configuration?

Another example of QF's contempt for the flying public out of BNE.
 
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & E

Mon May 27, 2002 4:50 pm

So the new 747-400's from Perth are going to have the PTV economy in them?

I have to agree, this may be to defend their territory due to the arrival of EK, as I have never heard of any plans of giving Perth's services PTV aircraft.

With MH, SQ, EK all having them, I spose it would be a good move.
 
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 5:17 pm

It has been stated by Qantas that the interiors of the 747-300's series aircraft, are to be upgraded early next year, with all new seating, overhead bins, toilets and galleys. Also I've heard they will have the new IFE installed. So this will be a major improvement for Brisbane passengers from the current 767-300 series aircraft.

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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Mon May 27, 2002 6:56 pm

Crosscheck, do these 743 upgrades apply to the entire cabin, or is just at the pointy end of the aircraft?

In any case, BA used to offer daily B744 service out of BNE (until Oct 2000) to SIN, and QF had their own 747/767 services to SIN, so in essence, it would seem that there is almost a 'resumption' of previous capacity out of BNE to SIN, rather than the introduction of anything new from QF?
 
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Tue May 28, 2002 9:31 am

Jsmith,

From what I have heard, the entire aircraft (747-300 that is), will receive the cabin upgrade, not just the pointy end.

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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Wed May 29, 2002 2:16 am

Just reconfirms Qantas' lack of commitment to start flights to Malaysia...

..personally, I can't see how Australian Airlines is going to fare well once it begins its limited service to KUL as planned from a (still) unnamed origin city.

As mentioned before a LHR-KUL-SYD/MEL (or v.v) route should do well as BA33/BA34 in the late 1990s proved. Should Qantas/BA had decided to redirect a Sydney or Melbourne to London service to operate via KUL - I would have thought that the route would remain sustainable - especially with the fact that there would not be hardly any charges to pay by using KUL as a transit stop...

...It shall perhaps always remain a 'Kangaroo mystery'  Confused
 
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Wed May 29, 2002 8:44 am

MAS 777, the problem with doing a flight through K.L is that they then miss out on all the connections they have by hubbing in SIN. There are flights from every major Australian city plus a couple of Asian cities all in SIN around the same time. These flight all connect with the onward flights to European destinations and the same in reverse. If they did a flight through K.L then it is solely for passengers to/from K.L or through traffic to LHR, plus whatever passengers they can pick up in K.L.
Unfortunately it would appear the economics of that just aren't there.
RL
 
'Longreach'
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & E

Wed May 29, 2002 2:24 pm

OK just wondering, were the reconfigured 2-class 744's from Perth starting in Dec 02 or are they being introduced sooner?

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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Wed May 29, 2002 3:31 pm

How many aircraft are being refitted with 2 classes? Is it 6 or 8?
 
thadocta
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Wed May 29, 2002 11:17 pm

Got me beat as to why they are making QF31/32 daily from SYD to LHR through SIN. Would make more sense to me to have QF1/2 SYD-BKK-LHR, QF9/10 (SYD-)MEL-SIN-LHR and QF31/32 SYD-KUL-LHR.

Only thing here that I am not aware of is does QF have traffic rights between Malaysia and the United Kingdom? If they don't then this flight probably would not be worthwhile, but if they do then why on earth aren't they going for it?

Dave
 
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Thu May 30, 2002 12:16 am

Yes it's all about QF responding to SQ, MH & EK service (although reports indicate that EK Y is hardly inviting, PTVs or not).
But also I think it's about redressing the poor European QF service from PER as well. QF does not fly PER-BKK, so for connections to/from FCO, CDG etc currently you either have to backtrack to LHR then SIN-PER or go BKK-MEL-PER, hardly a good service!
Whereas SQ (with LH), MH, and TG to a lesser extent, offer good European service connections through their respective hubs.
The current afternoon B763 QF service PER-SIN will be replaced with the B774 to provide QF/BA connections in SIN to LHR as happens now as well as continuing on to CDG/FCO 6 days a week - the destination on the 7th day has yet to be set, FRA maybe? MAN if they were adventurous - nah, not QF.

The other issue for QF is that currently the daily QF77/78 PER-HKG-PER morning service is also a lowly B763. Reports in local Perth press are stating that CX is looking to reactivate its Laverton, Victoria stored equipment and may increase its HKG-PER-HKG frequency (3/week at the moment) later this year which may mean QF will have to lift its game on that route as well.

PGF
 
flying-b773
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Thu May 30, 2002 1:07 am

just to confirm, so, QF is offering

14 X weekly sin-LHR
7 X weekly sin-FRA
3 X weekly sin-FCO
3 X weekly sin-CDG

+ BA offering 12 X weekly sin-LHR... total of 39 744 flights... lets say with an average of 380 seats, that would provide almost 15000 seats per week.. thats a whole lot for people travelling down and down the globe.. a big operation at SIN though..

also, any chances of QF making the ADL - sin route back to daily? is it so bad that they cant fill their 763 while Q can do a 772......
 
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RE: Qantas Increases Capacity To Singapore & Europe

Thu May 30, 2002 2:25 am

I wonder what the profile of passengers on the Australia-SIN-Europe flights on QF are like.

For SQ, take their SIN-HKG-SFO route for example. nearly everyone who boards the plane at SIN gets off at HKG and a whole bunch of new people get up at HKG. Far fewer people do the SIN-SFO route itself.

So since QF hubs its Europe services through Singapore, do a lot of people join the flight at SIN? Or is SIN just a convenient transit stop, with most people flying Australia-Europe?