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Very Few 757's InEurope?

Tue May 28, 2002 11:48 pm

Compared to the US, there are very few 757's in europe and the middle east. Only BA, Iberia are the only european majors to have a sizeable 757 fleet, with a few charters operating them aswell (Air 2000+Britannia come to mind) Can't think of any ME 757 operators.

Any particular reason for this?

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Tue May 28, 2002 11:56 pm

Condor, LTU, BA, Iberia, Air 2000, Britannia, JMC, Finnair, Air anatolia, DHL, Atlas International, Transavia, Dutchbird, Monarch, Icelandair, My Travel and Belair all use 757's and are located in Europe (probably more).

There are quite a few if you ask me...
 
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Tue May 28, 2002 11:59 pm

Add AirHolland to that list!
 
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 12:02 am

But they're not exactly major airlines are they? except BA/Iberia?

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 12:02 am

And in the ME EL AL has the 752 in it's fleet.

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 12:02 am

65% (624 of 953 in service) of 757s are operated by US carriers.

Don't have time to add up the European contribution to the total but it's about 20% I guess - still significant.

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 12:10 am

Max, Just not them, remember Israir(or whatever..), Sout Atlantic airways also do.

Most of the majors don't need the 757, simple as that. Especially not now, with the A321 and A310, and well, its all about your needs I guess....
 
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 12:15 am

El Al also is a 757 operator.
Air Belgium used to have one.
Keep is mind that BA was the first non-US airline to introduce the 757 and is the largest non-US operator of the type.
In Russia there is the Tupolev 204, that's the Russian 757.

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 12:15 am

In Europe, the 757 is seen by most airlines as a nice aircraft for mediumrange charters. Larger than a 737 so it can carry more passengers, smaller than a 767 so it can land at smaller airfields (and use less fuel).
Range isn't so much a factor as distances are shorter.
Regular lines use 737s to gain higher frequency, charters use 757s packed full of people happy to be pushed in like sardines in a can to get as many people as possible transported in one flight and still be able to land and take off on the smaller airports at holiday islands.
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RE: Because Airbus Made The A321

Wed May 29, 2002 12:17 am

I guess the reason is that Airbus simply got the most of the 180-220 seat aircrafts needed in Europe. Had the A321 not been made Air France, Lufthansa, SABENA (prior the shut down), Swissair (now Swiss) and others like SAS - and now BA replacing 757s with A321s - would have been very possible B757 customers with the need for many aircraft. Guess the US-market is mostly Boeing and Europe is at the moment Airbus. So simple is that.
 
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 12:18 am

Hello,


The 757 is not even certified in France...


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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 12:20 am

Why isn't it certified in France?

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 12:55 am

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 1:50 am

In Europe, A321s make more sense, since you don't need the range of the 757. In the US, the 757 is useful because it can do long transcons and short flights, I don't think there is a need for that capability as much in Europe (for scheduled service, not charters). Plus, I think that the A321 is more slotted between the 738/A320 and the 757 in terms of size/capabilities.
 
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 2:06 am

Max, Just not them, remember Israir(or whatever..), Sout Atlantic airways also do.

It's actually Arkia which is operating some B757-200s/-300s. South Atlantic Airways was liquidated last year after the Spanish authorithies found out, the airline was used for money laundering.
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 3:17 am

It's even worse in Japan... Been there almost 3 weeks this spring, and Ihaven't even seen one 757...

Does anyone know an operator, which is flying 757's to Japan??

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 3:20 am

There's an airline called FAT (Far eastern transport) that has 757's, but i dont know if it's a japanese carrier.

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 3:56 am

FAT is a taiwanese carrier.
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 3:59 am

Hello Arsenal@LHR,


Because so far no French operator required the type to be certified by the Direction générale de l'aviation civile (DGAC). The same happened with the 747SP; Corsair had to keep its airplane under Luxemburgish registration before it was certified (and the airplane was later re-registered as F-GTOM).


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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 4:03 am

Just a quick roundup of European 757s;

Condor - 25
Britannia - 19
Iberia - 18
British Airways - 17
JMC Airlines - 17
Air 2000 - 14
DHL - 14
Icelandair - 11
Monarch - 8
LTU - 7
MyTravel - 7
Finnair - 5
Transavia - 4
Atlas International - 3
DutchBird - 3
LTE - 3
Air Anatolia - 2
Air Holland - 2
Air Scandic - 2
Belair - 2
Greenlandair - 1
Martinair - 1
Privatair - 1
Star Air - 1

I make that a total of 189.

The above fleets include aircraft leased in for the summer, and exclude stored aircraft.

As for the A321/B757, while they do compete, It appears in several cases airlines have a case for operating both types in their fleets for different roles. In Europe in particular this involves;
- Air 2000
- British Airways
- Finnair
- Iberia
- Monarch
- MyTravel

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 4:45 am

In the Arabian Gulf, SNAS (a Saudi [?] company operating flights for DHL) has two 757F leased from DHL and in DHL livery but with SNAS titles. Gulf Air also used to have a 757F which IIRC they leased from DHL also and they operated to Belgium on DHL's behalf.

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 11:49 am

Royal Nepal Airlines also operate 2 757's and have the distinction of operating the ONLY 757-200C (Convertable). This is a 757 with a MDC (Main Deck Cargo) door and a full set of windows along the window belt, including windows in the MDC door. This was a configuration built by Boeing in production with full production drawings and type certification. The thought was that it would be an alternate configuration to offer customers and satisfy Royal Nepal's requirements. The configuration didn't take-off and now this is a unique 757. There isn't even an STC out there to convert a -200F or -200 pax to this configuration. Check it out:-----


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Wed May 29, 2002 4:23 pm

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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 4:27 pm

Roal Air Maroc also operates the 757.
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 7:44 pm

Well you guys see more than me!

Auckland gets no 757's! SJ leased 1 from BY afew years ago! And Canada 3000 flew them in once weekly in 99 I think it was, can't think of anymore though.
 
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 8:45 pm

Arsenal,
do you remember that Virgin had soem 747 300s on order from Singapore Airlines?In the end,they didnt take them because the 743 isnt certified in the UK as nobody has it,and so it wouldnt be cost effective in getting 5 against the costs involved for certification.
 
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RE: Very Few 757's InEurope?

Wed May 29, 2002 10:07 pm

Donder

Are u sure it was 747-300's? i don't recall VS negotiating 743's with SQ, or was it 744's?

Anyone?

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