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AKL Airport

Thu May 30, 2002 1:13 pm

Wow, yet another brilliant idea from the company that calls itself Auckland Airport!!!:

Jukebox Museum opening soon
Dated 13:04 23 May 2002


Airtime Magic - a new museum that features memorabilia and kiwiana from the 1910s to the 1980s will open on the top floor of the International Teminal on 8 June.

The highlight of the collection is the jukeboxes. There are more than twenty, mainly from the 1950s and 60s. They include examples from the most famous manufacturers, as well as five very special New Zealand-made juke boxes.

Memorabilia of Elvis and Marilyn Monroe will also be on display.

Opening - 8 June Hours - 8am - 8pm, 7 days Free admission Location - top floor, International Terminal, Auckland International Airport



Will someone please explain to me if the airport can afford to build a jukebox museum, why they cannot work on expanding their airside facilities? The international terminal needs urgent expansion for more gate space, and particularly additional space in the Arrivals Hall and improvements to the carpark.

Any respect I had for this stupid management has now gone. And if you think I'm being a bit harsh, try waiting for 40 minutes after flying 11 hours on a plane (which has happened to me now no less than six times), then being stopped from going to immigration because of heavy queues, and then a 2 hour wait in a MAF Quarantine line with absolutely no direction from airport staff who seem more interested in rehearsing for their Gestapo roles in the local production!

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RE: AKL Airport

Thu May 30, 2002 1:37 pm

Excuse me but a jukebox museum..........Well I can't wait to rush thru immigration and up the escalators to see that next time I am at AKL!!!

Why not something with an aviation theme at least.

What a waste of money.
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RE: AKL Airport

Thu May 30, 2002 1:54 pm

AFAIK the museum is not being paid for by AKL airport.
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RE: AKL Airport

Thu May 30, 2002 4:45 pm

Probably run by someone from outside in leased space that would otherwise
remain empty, so not so stupid from a business perspective if that is the case as this would be INCOME rather than EXPENSE.
After all, many airports have activities or attractions for passengers' while they wait for their flights.  Smile
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Thu May 30, 2002 5:51 pm

AIAL treats AKL like an amusement park instead of an essential infrastructural service.
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RE: AKL Airport

Thu May 30, 2002 6:12 pm

Except I believe that this museum is going to be housed in an extension to the current viewing area (as construction is going on in that section of the airport). I was hoping for an extension of the airside concourse, but really.... a jukebox museum. Attraction? How many times can you look at jukeboxes before you get bored?

Besides, I think this museum is going to be before immigration. Wow, just watch all those tourists delay immigration so they can look at some jukeboxes!

And how much revenue can you make from an attraction that doesn't charge for admission... ?
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:11 am

I think its time some shareholders took a sledgehammer to the heads of the executive committee.
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:44 am

I'm fed up with this airport! Geez, upgrade the facilities before coming up with such a dumb idea! Other airports I've been to, Brisbane, Melbourne, Hong Kong (OK, you can't really compare AKL to a world class hub)... But come on! Can it be at least somewhat as new and clean as Brisbane?

Everytime I land in AKL after my flight, the airport is gloomy, the queues are long.... Not a good impression at all!!!!!!!!

Can't they at least use that money to build a small (useful) extension?
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:56 am

As has been pointed out before, the cost of upgrading right now to cater for the occassional peak is completely inappropriate. There has recently been a large extension to the departures area and in time other areas will be expanded too.

This is a private enterprise now, so sensible commercial decisions have to be made, not those to satisfy the occasional aviation enthusiast

And I was out there today farewlleing friends (Saturday) and saw the museum bit, although didn't go into it. All I heard were announcements that it was an aviation museum stretching back to the 1910s or something. So I don't really know what the hell you're talking about when you say "jukebox museum".

Actually, it was quite entertaining today seeing Graucho Marx, Elvis and the lovely Ms Monroe walking round the place. Everyone seemed to be enjoying their presence. Hardly felt like an airport at all, which is a good thing I reckon.
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Sun Jun 09, 2002 10:29 am

What - a jukebox museum with no charge for admission is a sensible commerical decision?

Aviation museum? Check their website, their press release cites jukeboxes.
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Sun Jun 09, 2002 3:22 pm

I am going to Auckland Airport tomorrow to return to Sydney - I will check it out and report back on what exactly it is.

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RE: AKL Airport

Sun Jun 09, 2002 5:07 pm

This is a private enterprise now, so sensible commercial decisions have to be made, not those to satisfy the occasional aviation enthusiast

I agree, but the commercial decisions that AIAL continually aren't sensible in the long run and just piss off those who work with the lacklustre infrastructure everyday like the Check In agents, Flight Dispatchers, Customs Officers etc.
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RE: AKL Airport

Sun Jun 09, 2002 6:37 pm

Oh yeah, you're right, a jukebox and kiwiana museum. Oh well, heard wrong.

Aerorobnz: Come on! People who work with airport infrastructure everyday are always moaning about things. I know, I worked for AIAL for a year. Bitch and complain when the place is chugging along just fine. People will always do their utmost to complain about those who are successful (eg. AIAL management).

And actually, their long-run plan is to turn the airport into a commercial centre, with entertainment facilities etc. ie. a mall. So really, their decisions make perfect sense.
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Sun Jun 09, 2002 9:02 pm

Aerorobnz

I find Auckland airport a breath of fresh air after a long flight. Better than the sterile and characterless CLK, KIX etc.

Remember. Aviation enthusiasts make up a very small portion of the people that use the airport. AIAL is not around to amuse that tiny group.

Aerokiwi is right. Everyone who works in the Aviation industry has something to moan about. I should know, I have to put up with it everyday. However, I work at NZAA and I don't hear much complaining about the infrastructure etc. What complaints have you heard??
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:17 pm

I often hear from many people working in the airport that there are not enough check-in desks available to cope (particularly at peak times), that the flow of the airport is not good & so it suffers chronic congestion & that the airport is more interested in having good shops etc than running an efficient airport because they stopgap instead of addressing the problem. I mean they had the chance years ago to make the necessary adjustments, but didn't, opting to put in a few more Souvenir shops instead. I understand that AIAL wants to make AKL a commercial centre, but surely it would be better to do the essentials properly first, and then work on the extra stuff after the primary infrastructure is completed.

Duff read my last post agan, regarding airline enthusiasts. I know they can't cater just for our needs, hence I stated it earlier
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RE: AKL Airport

Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:26 pm

Ok, I have just arrived back in Australia, and while I was leaving Auckland, I took the time to check out the Jukebox museum. It is actually quite a nice place - all thats missing are photos of 50s and 60s era aircraft - still, I am sure they will come! For us plane watchers, it certainly is a good thing - the viewing deck window space is doubled before you count the windows in the museum - counting those, there is at least three times as much glass to look through. Certainly is a good thing!

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RE: AKL Airport

Mon Jun 10, 2002 5:21 pm

OK, so they can have a jukebox museum! But I agree with the other people who say they should have the infrastructure all well in place before turning it into an amusement center! For god's sake, it IS A AIRPORT! As a airport, it should be much more concerned about the waiting times for custom (10 mins for me, arrival, that's OK), baggage retrieval (another 15 mins), and MAF (25 mins in red lane).... 50 minutes! Geez! Are they trying to earn $$ from the parking?

The gates are OK, but they need to improve on the immigration and check-in part ASAP! I was at the airport on Sunday, my friend was in queue for 30 mins just to check in on the SQ flight!

Oh yeah, on another note... Why do all the passengers going on the SQ flight have all the baggage screened, while the other flights eg:going to Bangkok for example don't?
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Mon Jun 10, 2002 6:54 pm

Many of our most well-travelled staff LOVE AKL and say it's one of the best airports in the world in their eyes.

Bear in mind airline staff visit pretty much every place on the globe, so this is no ill-informed comment from people who've been over to Melbourne every now and then.
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RE: AKL Airport

Fri Jun 14, 2002 3:00 pm

Staff probably do love it because they don't have to wait in queues for immigration like everyone else!  Smile

As for parking... that's a nightmare in itself. Not so much that there's not enough parking spaces, but manouevring around the carpark can be a real challenge, especially during the peak times.

What really irks me about AKL is that a) during peak times it gets far too full airside and flights often don't get parking spaces (or have to wait), and b) it actually doesn't comply with general standards. e.g. US and HK aviation authorities require flow of arriving and departing passengers to be separated. At airports like HKIA and Sydney/Brisbane, departures and arrivals are on separate levels. At Changi, KLIA and LHR, where it is same-level, there are controls at the departure gate to stop arriving passengers from entering the lounge. Yet at AKL, it is same level and open-plan, and their idea of correcting it is just to fit a few metal detectors on to the 2 gates at the end, thereby creating more trouble for itself when these 2 gates are occupied and other flights (at the request of overseas authorities) must park there, yet there is no room for them to park!

As for immigration and customs: Departures (not fast track) - 30 minutes in queue, which extends from the holding area all the way out to the entrance. Arrivals - 20 minute wait on the mezzanine above the holding area, and then another 35 minute wait for the foreign passports queue. 10 minute wait for luggage and then a 1 hour wait for MAF screening, with unhelpful airport staff who are cantankerous and crusty.

And no travelators!!

 
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RE: AKL Airport

Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:30 pm

I should have clarified I meant Air NZ *general* staff, not air crew.

We have to wait in line just like everyone else  Smile
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RE: AKL Airport

Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:48 pm

B-HXB,

What really irks me about AKL is that a) during peak times it gets far too full airside and flights often don't get parking spaces (or have to wait)......

You mean this doesn't happen at other airports?  Wow!

 
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RE: AKL Airport

Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:51 pm

I went to the airport today and didn't even bother looking at the Jukebox museum. I was rather more interested in the aircraft of which there were alot of! The extra veiwing area though feels more comfortable just so much more room to move!
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Sat Jun 15, 2002 10:43 am

Well, OK.... Upgrading with more gates just for the peak hours, maybe not so feasible.....

But how about improving the immigration and MAF part of the airport? I wouldn't go and have a look at the jukebox museum if I know I will have to wait in line for 30 mins at immigration! I don't think it'll cost a lot just to add a few more counters, maybe add some more lights, just make the immigration areas a bit nicer and much more efficient!!!!!!

Oh yeah, I never understand why you can't include airport tax on your air ticket, it'll be so much easier, and you don't have to queue at BNZ! Any GOOD reason why??????
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Tue Jun 18, 2002 1:59 pm

NZ767 - well, the only three times I've ever experienced having to wait more than 5 or so minutes for a gate is at Auckland. And this includes many major airports such as JFK, O'Hare, LAX, Heathrow, HKG, KUL, SIN, BKK, SYD, BNE...

As for the departure tax, according to AKL, they've tried but failed. A shifty explanation if ever I heard one. The only other airport I've been to where they make you pay the tax is at Bangkok, and even there they have automatic machines which print out a little sticker for you.
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Tue Jun 18, 2002 2:24 pm

Let's see now. I've waited 40 minutes for a gate at Charles de Gaulle before, 30 minutes at Newark (NYC), another 30 minutes at Gatwick, 15 at San Fransisco, about 20 at Amsterdam and the worst of all was Sydney where the boredom factor set in about 45 minutes into waiting.

Auckland: I've waited about 3 minutes once on a domestic flight and about 2 for international.

So from personal experience, absolutely nothing to whinge about.

 
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RE: AKL Airport

Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:54 pm

Guys, about gates, OK, as a lot of people pointed out, there's no point in building additional gates just for the peak flow! Fine, that's all right!

But immigration?????? I think Auckland has one of the worst waiting times in the world! Add that to the MAF, and the waiting times at BNZ for the departure tax, and there's everything to whinge about!
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Tue Jun 18, 2002 6:56 pm

Jesseycy - to be honest, both at peak and off-peak times, I see no difference between Auckland and Sydney. Waits at customs in CDG were longer both times I went through that airport. Auckland isn't a shining star, but it isn't bad either.

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RE: AKL Airport

Wed Jun 19, 2002 1:47 pm

But the point is that the airport company isn't exactly losing money, and it's hard to understand why they feel the need to develop areas of the terminal that aren't in desperate need of upgrade - look at the check-in hall - what with x-ray of hold luggage required... why at Auckland and at nowhere else e.g. Sydney?

As for the gates issue, I disagree. If Auckland wants to be established it needs to either rework some of the gate alignments for different types of planes or extend. According to their Airport Report, Thai has just launched a thrice-weekly service AKL/BNE/BKK, Korean often operates 2 flights into AKL... extending the airside terminal that will be used a few times is better than wasting money on other silly projects like hiring clowns.
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Wed Jun 19, 2002 2:08 pm

As far as X-Raying hold luggage is concerned, I understand that this is an FAA requirement for all flights operating to the US after the events of Sept 11.
As a ordinary member of the public, that's what I read in the media.
Now is it only AKL doing that?
If so, then maybe someone's (our Govt) not telling us the whole truth.

There was a recent thread on here though concerning security of hold luggage and cargo, so maybe this is something to be commended rather than criticised.
Can someone clarify this issue; is it only AKL that X-Rays hold luggage?  Smile
 
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RE: AKL Airport

Wed Jun 19, 2002 2:51 pm

NZ767 - I think all airports x-ray it, however Auckland differs by making passengers do it before checking in. In the three times I have passed through AKL since February, I have only had to have my bags passed through the x-ray machine once (I am assuming they are x-rayed again after they are checked in). The second time no one was being x-rayed from what I could tell, and the third it was only one flight. I agree that the way they have it set up is somewhat sloppy, but that is more to do with the fact the terminal wasn't designed for such an event, and you cant rebuild a terminal overnight. What made me laugh when I had my bags x-rayed was that they were placing a security seal (a sticker) on suitcases to show they had been passed through the x-ray. The intention of this sticker was obviously that it would be placed over part of the suitcase such that opening it would break the seal. But what does the guy do, just slap it on the side. Well done Aviation Security NZ.

As for the issue with separation of arriving and departing passengers, this doesn't appear to be a problem. The only place that the two are together is in the pier/gate area. I don't believe there is enough conflicting traffic passing through at any one time to justify separating arriving and departing passengers in this area.

B-HXB the airside terminal is not in need of extension at the moment, it handles flights perfectly well. However, rest assured that this extension is allowed for in the airport's strategic plan.

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RE: AKL Airport

Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:04 pm

This museum was probably suggested by Air New Zealand!!!!!!! Bunch of pratts if you ask me!

Look I have spent a fair amount of time at Auckland Airport recently, & I don't think it is a bad airport. I think Melbourne & Sydney tend to flow a lot better because they have separate arrivals & departure levels, which makes a BIG difference. It tends to be a bit of a problem if you are coming or going to a domestic flight, especially if it is raining & this time of year that is virtually every day! A big walk is required or you can wait for the bus!

Whilst we are talking about NZ, It is great to see Qantas kicking Air NZ's butt in the domestic market there! I have no sympathy for Air NZ.

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RE: AKL Airport

Wed Jun 19, 2002 8:07 pm

Qantas kicking Air NZs butt???? Got any evidence to back this up??