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BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 4:13 pm

A British Airways Boeing 777 is stuck on a runway with 140 pax in Antigua.

The plane from LGW landed on a runway which was just resurfaced and the tarmac has not set properly. It's wheels have sank into the tarmac.

The captain has tried to move the plane using the engine power but failed and ordered an evacuation.

An airport spokesman said that it was unfortunate the BA 777 was the biggest thing to arrive  Confused

More information at the BBC NEWS Online website
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 4:20 pm

Sounds like a great airport !!
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 4:30 pm

that's a little strange that they didn't know it would happen and let the aircraft land, or rather stupid more like it, the airport should be forced to pay for the damages to the 777

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 4:37 pm

I was just reading the article on BBC's website...

I'm just wondering how something like this is possible..??
I suppose that when the resurfacing was underway, the runway/airport was closed....well, wouldn't it be standard procedure to check the runway before reopening??

Furthermore, in such a case, who would be financially liable? Indeed, the passengers need to be put up in hotels, the aircraft is stuck so cannot generate any revenue for BA, and the aircraft needs to be moved....
Would be BA, the airport, both, or insurance companies??

Anyways, I hope they can get the airplane un-stuck quickly...
However, I just re-read the article...and it said that the airport was now closed. I suppose this means that there is only one runway. Well if they say there is nothing big enough on the island to pull the 777, how are they going to get anything in, if the only runway is blocked?

TNX for any info...

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 4:50 pm

 Laugh out loudROTLMAO Laugh out loud

Don't worry about them moving it, where there is a will there will be a way.

I am sure that there is somebody on that island with a D-8 bulldozer or something.
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 5:46 pm

I must confess that this is quite possibly the most amusing incident I've heard of in a while.

"The Boeing 777 was due to carry on to the neighbouring island of St Lucia and was leaving the runway when its wheels sank into the tarmac.

The captain tried to use the power of the engines to move it but when it became obvious it was going nowhere, he ordered its evacuation."


This is the most absurd case of bad planning I've heard of in a while!
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 5:58 pm

"The delights of St.Lucia will have to wait"

Looks like it.....
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 6:23 pm

According to the flight info in Amadeus, the plane had left the gate at ANU for its continuing flight to St Lucia. Can anyone confirm this?
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 6:25 pm

I love the comment from the airport - 'It's not our problem' - very helpful.

What kind of idiots resurface a runway and then let something as big as a 777 land before its set ???
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 6:54 pm

I haven't understood if the 777 was stuck while landing or while taking off for another island.

I've understood that it landed and it was leaving the runway to go on the taxiway. There it was stuck. While going from the runway to the taxiway.

Am I correct?
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 7:10 pm

I have just read the story on BBC as well. Still some questions remain, why an airport can be re-opened with a tarmac that has not settled to take the wheel weight it has been designed for.

Back in 1994 I was flying to St. Lucia via Antigua in a BA 747-236, so the old runway surface was surely strong enough to take planes with even bigger landing weights than that of a 777.

By the way: when flying back from St. Lucia's Vigie airport via Barbados to LGW in 1994 the BA 747 had to backtrack on the runway and make a 180-degree turn at the western end of the runway. On this occasion - according to the subsequent announcement of the flight deck crew - the plane had taxied through the grass or hard shoulder with some part of its main landing gear. I think it was only owing to the aridity of the soil and the barely laden kite that we were still able to proceed to Barbados after a 20 minute outside inspection of the aircraft.

But the weather is always nice in the Caribbean.

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 7:22 pm

LOL! How Bizzare! Well pretty stupid that a thing like this could happen I think!
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 7:27 pm

First the fire in DEN, then the first ever withdrawal from service, now this. It seems all the bad things happen to BA's 777 fleet.
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 7:29 pm

I feel for the tourists stranded in Antigua.... must be awful for them.
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 7:38 pm

Well it isn't spending a night in the Weatherd Inn in Cold Bay, Alaska but I am sure those passengers have access to a bar  Smokin cool.
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 8:26 pm

I experienced something similar with Cathay pacific before. after landing the a330 tried to exit runway almost at the end of the runway which is normally only used by planes smaller than B737 but when the turn is made the right main landing was stuck in the mud (after a rainy day). so the pilot applied thrust but still wouldnt move. so he set thrust to idle and out of a sudden pushed the throttle to like half way through (i was in the cockpit) then only the plane got off the mud.

a week later i was on a MH B737 and went on that taxiway and noticed the marks was still there. believe it or not. 5 months later it was still there.
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 8:52 pm

Why was this rwy active ?
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 9:04 pm

Antigua only has the one runway, so I guess without the luxury of being able to switch to another one, they resurfaced when they thought was the best time. Unfortunately it was just before a big fat 777 decided to wedge itself into the runway....
Think it was probably a crap decision as to the timing of the resurfacing.
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 9:06 pm


Hilarious?! Not for the stranded pax.

 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 9:18 pm

There are some pretty tight turns needed for the big boys to get to and from the apron - I remember that a while back in a Caledonian DC10 - to the end and back track a little way.
D-aqui - you sure that was Vigie you flew in/out of - I thought it was always Hewanorra for the jets.
Hey, another day stuck in Antigua - I wouldn't mind!
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 10:37 pm

@Leej

Yes, you are correct, of course it was not Vigie but Hewanorra. I was a little distracted...

Vigie is only for the intra-Caribbean flights and usually only handles planes up to Dash-8 or HS 748 size.

Sorry.

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 11:37 pm

Why didn't they just close the airport or the runway if the runway hasn't set properly? I think that the airport should be held responsible for this incident.
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 11:47 pm

Antigua's only runway has no parallel taxiway and the BA 777 sank into soft tarmac in the turning circle at the end whilst preparing to line up for a flight to St Lucia. It sank further in as the crew tried to power it out. Unfortunately as all a/c park remote at ANU the airport does not possess a tug! The closure of the airport also stranded a BWIA L1011 and VS 744. According to the BBC, the 777 has now been released using 'a truck borrowed from an American air base.'
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 11:47 pm

Yeah, still some info left out, but according to the BBC from the link provided above, the plane has been pulled out with the aid of some type of truck. No obvious damage to the undercarriage, though I can see how that would be good for the ladning gear.

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Thu May 30, 2002 11:58 pm

Why didn't they do the procedure in accordance with the schedule of the flights, so that no aircraft would be departing or arriving during the time period of the resurfacing? If the schedule didn't allow for enough time for the material to be set, then they should've closed the airport. This is kind of amusing (not for the passengers though, no way!), because if you picture the BA 777 just laying there idle, unable to move because its gear is stuck to the tarmac, it looks so funny!!

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 12:04 am

I heard the US Military came to the rescue and towed the 777 with an Army truck out of the "Soft tarmac" and to safety, that's what the BBC are saying.
Im sorry but it is quite funny, i hope the tarmac experts in Antigua get their P45 slip(the sack) LOL!!!!!.
Perhaps the passengers could have all got out and given the 777 a push, welll there was 140 of them, how heavy can it be!!??LOL

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 12:28 am

Weird incident indeed..!

A simple question comes to my mind: Eventhough the aircraft is not, the runway is definitely damaged.

How are they going to get this 777 out of there? According to what has been said before, there's no other runway nor a parallel taxiway...

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 1:29 am

Actually,

I was flying out of Nagoya, Japan (NGO) about five years ago, on a hot (45 degrees) summer day in August and the same thing happened. I was on a Canadian Airlines 767 to Vancouver and we had to sit and wait in the aircraft an hour and a half for departure while the authorities moved a Northwest 747 that had damaged a "soft tarmac".

It seems that the specific combination of heat, humidity and weight of aircraft caused it to "rut" the tarmac. Perhaps it had just recently been resurfaced as well (Canadian didn't tell us whether that was the case).

Interesting.
 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 1:30 am

Hi Guys,

I have some useful info, 1) My nickname 2) I've been to ANU on a BA777:

Yes, ANU only has one runway and a/c have to backtrack using the turning circle, and a/c park @ remote stands which is great when you walk right up to a 777/744 and board on steps  Wink/being sarcastic

I take it this was the flight on 29/5 as when the a/c lands its pretty much the next day in the UK.

Heres a couple of pics of the airport, sorry about the quality but the ones of the BA777 were taken with an ancient APS camera  Sad





Will find out the reg tomorrow

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 1:45 am

BA777: Thanks for the pics. Didn't seem much of an "evacuation" to me!
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 1:58 am

Cool, thanks for posting the picture BA777. Yeah, I wouldn't think everyone panicked, as it looked like everything was done in a calm, orderly manner. But the hassle..

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 1:59 am

funny, nobody mentioned Allen Stanford.

texas billionaire. owns Caribbean Star Airlines, half of Antigua, and also owns the Airport too.

I'm anxious to see what BA does with him now.
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 2:04 am

The pax must have been pissed off a bit, but a funny saga for us. Big grin
The 777 must have been weighing at least 200 tonnes for the transatlantic crossing, so it would have been rather difficult for the pax to push it. Big grin

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 3:04 am

Thanks for the picture, what a terrible inconvenience for the passengers.
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 3:14 am

Whoa I live on the hill overlooking Runway 7L..to bad Im away at college and cant be home to see this :-( hopefully my dad took some shots
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 3:17 am

Correct me if I am wrong, but that photo is simply one of a BA a/c on the parking ramp at ANU-i.e. nothing to do with today's event....as you can see from the shot, the a/c is being refuelled, so I doubt that photo was taken today!

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 3:37 am

It was stuck there for around 8hrs and on 7L while turning to rotate (Unbelievable right in front of my house and Im not there to see that)

You can read the article here

http://antiguasun.caribbeanads.com/fullstory.cfm?NewsID=6148&ImageID=560
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 3:57 am

Quickrete turns into quicksand? Argh. Someone help, I'm a widebody and I can't take off!  Embarrassment

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 4:07 am

Holy f**k,

Yes those pics were taken in 2001 and it was the exact same aircraft as i was on LGW-ANU  Sad

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 4:10 am

Some a/c were ok it would seem:

"It also caused the Virgin Airways service to London with 418 passengers on board, to be delayed.

However, smaller aircraft like LIAT and Caribbean Star were able to continue operations before the airport was officially closed, as 5300 feet of the 8900 foot runway remained available.

Earlier in the morning, one of the world’s largest transport aircraft an US Airforce C-141 landed and took off from V.C. Bird.

During the day, several other jet aircraft used the runway, including BWIA’s northbound New York flight, an American b-737 from San Juan and a Continental 737 from Newark and St. Maarten."


A spot of bother in the sun then!

 
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 7:59 am

This is totally hilarious if it were not so shocking - not to mention the inconvenience for those passengers who were going on to UVF and ultimately those returning to LGW as well. The BA flights to the region backtrack rather than loop, so as the plane was heading for UVF it would not have had so much fuel on board. It would have returned to ANU prior to going back to LGW - imagine the increased weight it would have had then!

ANU (Vere Bird International) is also a USAF base (formerly called Coolidge Airfield). The base is situated on an old 2nd runway which is set at an angle to the only operative strip. The active runway is some 8000 ft long, relatively short by regional standards among international airports. The touchdown point for planes is well beyond the end of the runway, hence landing planes would not have been affected by the works. Also, the regional flights would have landed in the opposite direction. Planes at ANU always backtrack as there is no parallel taxiway - although one is in the works at present. I have seen the work myself on stopovers there while on BWIA between POS and LHR and KIN in the last 2 years. Thus, it appears that repaving of the runway was also part of the plan - alas, we now see what that has led too!

When I first heard that I immediately got echoes of that Taipei tragedy when the SQ 747-400 rolled down the closed runway on which works were being done. Thankfully nobody was injured but this event will not be good for the island, which depends heavily on its tourist industry. The UK is the largest source of tourists for Antigua and Barbuda - as evidenced by the BA, VS and BW flights which were all there and were ultimately headed to London.

Those of you who took pictures did very well - there are stern warnings in ANU's terminal detailing the penalties of taking photos in the airport, namely fines and imprisonment.

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 2:33 pm

Guys,

Confirmation:

BA2157 To St. Georges, Grenada G-VIIP 777 29/05/2002 11:22

Heres a shot of her cockpit, while i was on her in Feb last year :P



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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 8:45 pm

Those pictures are really kool.

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 9:27 pm

Great video link! Big thumbs up Another day in paradise.. Laugh out loud
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 9:30 pm

Where is Joe Patroni when you need him Confused

He knows how to get a Boeing unstuck!
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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Fri May 31, 2002 9:51 pm

LOL! I was just thinking the same.

Does anyone else feel reminded of 'airport'?

as 5300 feet of the 8900 foot runway remained available

I wonder when the first aircraft taking off hits that 777?

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RE: BAW 777 Stuck On Runway In Antigua

Sat Jun 01, 2002 5:18 am

Yeah, it is paradise  Wink/being sarcastic

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