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Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Thu May 30, 2002 11:11 pm

Does NW have other oddball flights like IAD-AMS?
They don't have a hub at IAD to feed pax on the flight.
However, the flight seem to operate pretty full most of the
time.
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Thu May 30, 2002 11:13 pm

There's also JFK-AMS and MIA/AMS and there used to be a BOS-AMS.

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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Thu May 30, 2002 11:35 pm

NW actually has the most non-hub-gateway international operations by a US carrier.

AMS is served nonstop from DTW, MSP, SEA, IAD, BOS, EWR, JFK, MIA
NRT is served nonstop from DTW, MSP, SEA, LAX, SFO, JFK, HNL, GUM
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Thu May 30, 2002 11:36 pm

NW still operates BOS-AMS. Also they have EWR-AMS.
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Thu May 30, 2002 11:39 pm

They don't have a hub at IAD to feed pax on the flight.

These flights are fed well by KLM at Amsterdam.
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Thu May 30, 2002 11:42 pm

yes but amsterdam is a gateway for nwa. think about klm
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 12:05 am

Actually, AMS is a HUB for NW. This isn't an oddball situation... those are gateways that serve the European hub.




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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 12:18 am

KLM and NWA are a REAL alliance.

I think it doesn't matter if the tail is blue or red.

They share all cost & benefits on all Atlantic flights. They just take out the most practical options ; sometimes KLM (MEM, LA, SFO, IAH, etc.) sometimes NWA (BOS, DTW, etc.), sometimes both (MSP) ...



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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 12:28 am

Hmm...i thought BOS-AMS was gone, when was it re-instated?

And EWR-AMS? That one was a suprise.

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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 12:36 am

i thought BOS-AMS was gone, when was it re-instated?

AFAIK, BOS-AMS was never discontinued. They kept the BOS and IAD services when they cut the PHL-AMS service in the mid-90s.
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 12:40 am

EWR-AMS is new. They just took over the route from KLM. In exchange, KLM will be taking over MIA-AMS in September.
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 12:49 am

Actually, EWR-AMS used to be operated by NWA as the first leg of the BOM flight when they first started India service in 1997. The flights ran EWR-AMS-BOM and IAD-AMS-DEL. When they switched the BOM service to DTW, the EWR-AMS route was taken over by KLM, and now returned to NWA for this summer.
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 12:53 am

Bobcat.
What is the difference between IAD-AMS on NW and
1. IAD-LON on BA
2. MIA-CDG on AF
3. BOS-FRA on LH

There is no difference as each of those city pairs has a hub as the destination.
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 12:58 am

okay, I see it now... AMS is the hub in this scenario...


I guess I just forgot to look at it from another perspective.  Smile
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 1:00 am

AMS-MIA being taken over by KLM in September??? Anyone have more info on this. What aircraft, when is it suppose to start?

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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 1:02 am

And don't forget NW's huge Tokyo hub as mentioned above. I don't think there's an other airline operating hubs on three continents. Or am I wrong?
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 1:06 am

Daily flight to be operated by KLM's MD-11s will start September 16.
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 1:27 am

BOS-AMS is a remnant of the days when BOS was a transatlantic hub for NW, with flights to:

LGW
SNN
FRA
CPH
PIK
other?
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 1:37 am

I'm on that flight on June 3. Odd ball? No way. Its the most convenient way to get to Europe and beyond, the uncomfortable DC-10 notwithstanding.
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 2:01 am

don,t leave out kenia nairoboi (kenya airlines hub) AFRICA
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 2:28 am

Both AMS and NRT are NW hubs.
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 4:21 am

EWR-AMS by Northwest... I was wondering why I saw a NW DC10-30 the last time I was at EWR (5/24)!
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 6:24 am

The only "odd-ball" route that comes to mind is LAS-LAX. However, NW dropped this route. They only flew it once a day on an A320, I believe is was NW 1 & NW 2

NRT & AMS are NW hubs
 
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 6:43 am

In addition to the LAX-LAS extention of NW1/2, NW also ran an A320 on LAX-SAN for a while as an extension of the MEM-LAX flight.
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 7:03 am

NW also flew TPA-MBJ up until a few months ago when it was transfered to MEM.
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 7:15 am

I thought the TPA-MBJ service was weekends only?
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Fri May 31, 2002 9:42 am


NW58/57 MIA/AMS/MIA will switch to KL628/627 on Sept 16th.
As mentioned above, the flight will operate by KL MD-11. This
is good for this route as the plane is full nearly every day and moves
quite a bit of cargo. The extra seats and cargo capacity will be
greatly appreciated.

Re: the oddball effect IAD/AMS, MIA/AMS etc...all of these route are
divided 50-50 between NW & KL. All costs are split. The aircraft that
is operated is determined by the total seat count that each airline
operates. Thats why EWR/AMS has switched, why MIA/AMS will switch
and why KL operates a DTW and or MSP flight during the summer.
FYI the MD-11 to MIA may only remain a blue tail for a year, as the
rumor is that this route is one of the first to be operated by the
NW A330, once they are delivered.

This Alliance works so well, it doesnt matter who operates the flight,
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Sat Jun 01, 2002 11:36 pm

NW 1 LAS-LAX and the opposite flight were not oddball in any way...they were a logical extension of NW's flight 1 and 2 to and from NRT. The LAS-LAX-LAS flights usually ran full, quite odd when you consider the number of LAX-LAS flights today, but they were dropped after September 11th. Flight 1 now operates from MSP-LAX-NRT-BKK, and flight 2 is the reverse routing.
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RE: Does NW Have Other Oddball Flights Like IAD-AMS?

Sun Jun 02, 2002 2:23 am

Indeed, as mentioned AMS is an hub for NW: Last summer NW flew no less than 13 daily departures from AMS. All revenue of all NW and KL AMS-USA flights are split equally between them, no matter who operates it. NWA and KLM are a true alliance.

Current NW departures from AMS [all daily]
08.10 NW39 D10 DTW
10.25 NW61 744 JFK
10.35 NW42 747 BOM
10.50 NW57 D10 MIA [disc 15 Sep 02]
11.00 NW67 744 DTW
11.10 NW41 747 MSP
11.30 NW63 D10 EWR
11.35 NW35 D10 IAD
14.15 NW37 D10 BOS
14.35 NW33 D10 SEA
16.35 NW55 747 MSP
16.50 NW47 D10 DTW

NW departures from AMS summer timetable:
08.00 NW39 D10 DTW
10.25 NW61 744 JFK
10.30 NW63 D10 EWR
10.35 NW68 744 BOM
11.00 NW67 744 DTW
11.10 NW41 747 MSP
11.35 NW35 D10 IAD
14.15 NW37 D10 BOS
14.35 NW33 D10 SEA
16.35 NW55 747 MSP
16.50 NW47 D10 DTW

KL flights from AMS to USA; summer timetable [these flights also carry NW code].
10.30 KL661 747 IAH
10.45 KL627 M11 MIA [eff 16 Sep 02]
10.55 KL611 747 ORD
11.30 KL601 747 LAX
11.45 KL605 M11 SFO [eff 15 Sep 02: 2x weekly 747, 5x weekly M11 -2----7]
14.20 KL617 M11 DTW [changes to 747 eff 16 Sep 02]
14.20 KL603 747 LAX [2x weekly ---4-6-][disc 14 Sep 02]
16.25 KL625 M11 MEM [changes to 767 eff 16 Sep 02]
19.20 KL643 747 JFK [5 weekly: -23456-]

NW is doing more AMS-USA flights than KLM! So I think its safe to call AMS a NW hub. I think NW has more long haul departures out of AMS [and also NRT] than from DTW and MSP. NW really loves those overseas hubs...

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