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SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 3:30 pm


Hi:

I was looking at the new SQ 777 interior pic that was recently posted, it seems that SQ's seats seem larger than that of say, UA. I doubt that it is the angle of the shot or the pax size because they seem average to me. Has SQ added comfort to the 772ER? And can anyone take more pictures of the interiors if they fly?


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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 3:56 pm

Well, the seat pitch is 33" if that helps.
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 5:21 pm

The pic by Irving isnt an ER, its an IGW version SQx series.
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 5:26 pm

the seats are normal sized
 
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 5:37 pm

According to magazines SQ economy pitch is 31/32 inch,

same as e.g Continental and UAL.

A few may be 33 inch. Malaysia has 34 inch.


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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 5:47 pm

On a related theme... I note that there are more two-class 9VSR_ IGW series aircraft than three class 9VSQ_ series aircraft. Where do the SR_ series operate to? SIN-FUK, SIN-FUK-HIJ, SIN-NGO, SIN-KUL, SIN-BNE and SIN-ADL are the obvious ones. Any others?
 
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 6:56 pm

PER gets a SRx, KUL, CGK...
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 6:57 pm

I've flown the SRs to here as well as to those destinations you've already mentioned:

Perth
Kansai via Bangkok
Kansai direct
Incheon via Bangkok
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 7:08 pm

There is a mistake in the pic. 9V-SQD is not an ER. The seats in the ER versions are different from the ones in the SQ and SR series. SQ772 is on a trip now to US and will return on the ORD-AMS-SIN flight on an ER so lets hope that he will take some photos and they would be good enough to be posted on a.net!
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Fri May 31, 2002 10:12 pm

Only the SVs are the ERs.
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 2:36 am

Ejazz... thanks. I am slightly surprised they got rid of First Class on PER and KIX. Interesting.
 
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 6:16 pm

The seats are indeed bigger than normal ones in terms of width but in terms of pitch, it's pretty standard. It's slightly bigger than the Megatop or the Celestars but very similar to the A-310s.
 
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 6:31 pm

I flew one of SQ's 777-200s (QH) and is had these seats, they gave the impression that they were bigger in comparison to the 777-300 (YF), although the seats have things like lumbar support, etc. Can someone tell me if the one I described on the 777-300 are the newer seats?

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 7:49 pm

I've flown on SQ's772 and 773 twice before, and as far as I can remember, the seats are identical. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys.


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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 8:01 pm

Well I last flew them in december, and they were both different seats!(QH 772) and (YF773)

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 8:07 pm

I can confirm that they are both different seats. SQ installed 2 different kind of seats on both the B772 and B773. The B772ER (9V-SVX series) have the best seats comparing to the B772 SQ and SQ series plus the B773. When you know that the SV series have 255 seats only in Y and when there are 293 seats on the SR series you'll get what i mean! Also if I am correct, there are 2 more toilets on the SV series, making a total number of 8.

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 8:08 pm

Ex SQer

The First Class load overall was not good on the Perth run, that said when the seats were occupied I'm unsure of the yield.

First Class is still offered on B777s to Kansai but only on the flights via Taipei.

Sometimes a 3 class SQ or SY aircraft is planned on these routes for any number of reasons but the First Class cabin is normally closed off. Because of the different configurations and number of seats though in some cases First Class has to be used as Business Class and Business Class used for economy.
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 8:14 pm

Interesting, Trev. I flew on:

772 - SQA, SQB
773 - SYA, SYB

When you say they're different, do you mean the fabric or the shape of the seat in general?

I remember the the 777's (well, at least the ones I've flown on) have a little finger grip at the bottom of the PTV screen to adjust the viewing angle. The PVT's on the 744's have a flat black base without the finger grip.

777's have height adjustalbe headrests with wings, while on the 744 this is absent.

The seats on the 777 are noticable wider and a lot more confortable compared with the 744, and definitely have greater pitch, in my opinion.

Tell us more about the differences you noticed, Trev! I'm sure some of us would be pretty interested to know.


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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 8:34 pm

Hello there Andrew,
I did actually write about this quite a while back, but over time you tend to forget.

The 744's do have the adjustable headrest with wings, as I used them on the 4 744's I flew from Hong Kong To London and back (Via Singapore of course)

The shape of the seat was different, very different, more individual if you ask me and not touching each other. The seats are nothing like the 747's, look like SQ have many different types of seats...Here is a picture of a similar looking seat on the 773 (YF) I flew:

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On the SQ 773 seats, there are two little pockets on either side of the TV, I assume you are to put the head-phones in them or pens, and other small items.

There is in fact, lumbar support (lower back) which is adjustable, and you can adjust the height of the front of the seat, because it is filled with air...Like a balloon, which enables you to stretch out for a nap (of if you need more room between the forward seat  Smile)

The seat appears to be a lot thinner and more individual than that of what I had on the 772(GH). I also might add that on the 773(YF), the Wiseman 3000 Kris world entertainment system had been enabled, meaning Audio and Video on Demand (AVOD) entertainment, which the 772 did not have. A nice little feature is the drink holder, you don't have to let the whole table down to put your drink on it, you just have to pull a cup-holder located on the underside of the table (when it's placed in the upward position of course).

I would say, although the 772 seats were much more...comfortable looking, they were rather basic in terms of what the 773 had to offer as I earlier described. But I think that they should keep the larger-looking seats but somehow install the items that the 773 has to offer.

Well, I hope that explains it and helps.

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 8:50 pm

Yeah Trev, I like that little drink holder thingy that frees ups space that would otherwise have been taken up by the tray table.

I must say that I flew SYA abd SYB in July '99 and Feb '00, so they must have changed the seats on the 773's that were delivered later.

Perhaps 9V-SPK can enlighten us on the matter.

On another note, England is playing Sweden tomorrow night, and my Swedish mates have asked me to join them at the pub in blue and yellow.  Laugh out loud You gonne be in red and white?


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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 8:57 pm

Hehe, well perhaps JP says that the 777-300 YF was to be delivered in September 01, so it's basically spanking new when I flew on it!

777-300 YA and YB was delivered back on the December 98, might explain the different seats.  Smile

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 9:02 pm

Dragonair's cool. Snap some of those 743F's if you can, matey, and don't forget to post them!

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 01, 2002 10:16 pm

I flew 9V-SVC back in early October 2001 from Amsterdam to Chicago. Understandably, the plane was not even half-full. It was, of my 300+ commercial airline flights, the best of all. The plane was then SQ's newest 777, and it was spotless inside and out. The inflight entertainment system was awesome, featuring on-demand movies and interactive trivia (I even won a round and was shocked when the head FA came by to present me with a prize for winning!). I was hoping the plane would be painted in that special 'Jubilee' scheme, but I have come to realize that this paint scheme is (or was) only on one aircraft.

I flew a SQ 747-400 (9V-SMM) over to Amsterdam from Newark. This flight also was about half-full, although the plane (to me at least) seemed a bit tired-looking.

All in all, my SQ 777 experience was fabulous!

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 08, 2002 2:25 pm

Ryanair!!!,

Sorry to say that I didn't take any pics onboard the 777ER (I was too pissed off and uncomfortable to take any pics). But the seat instructions that I will be passing to you will give you a good idea of what the seats look like. The ultimo Plus seats are also slightly different on the 777ER in terms of the armrest design.

I did take a pic of the new serviceware on SQ and posted it on airlinemeals.net last night. It is not out yet, but expect it to be uploaded in 3 days time. I do hope airlinemeals.net is not as stringent as airliners.net when it comes to pictures members post.

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 08, 2002 6:26 pm

YF has the same seats as the SV series in Y class. YF's FC seat is the same as SV series J seats, only with a different color, blue instead of purple.

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 08, 2002 6:45 pm

It's strange that we never see photos of the F class seats on SQ 777. SQ doesn't even try to mention about it. Anyone know why?
 
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sat Jun 08, 2002 7:25 pm

First Class on the 777 is only fitted aboard 9V-SQ* and 9V-SY* series aircraft. SQ doesn't mention them because they along with the A340s' are much less comfortable than the ones on the 747s. An airline always strongly advertises their best product...never their inferior ones.
 
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sun Jun 09, 2002 1:47 pm

I beg to differ with 9VSVE.
FCL on the 777 and A340 are not less comfortable than the Skysuites found on the 744s. In fact, I found the A340 FCL seats extremely comfortable, and they do recline to almost 180 degrees.
SQ advertises only the 744 product because it wants to differentiate its product from the common 2X2X2 FCL found on other airlines, and also to compete against airlines like BA, UA, CX, QF who have seats that are in the same league as the skysuites.
Common sense marketing really.
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sun Jun 09, 2002 4:48 pm

SQ772: They may be less comfortable but they do look very disgusting and old. It's a sleeper seat. Not very nice I think. I don't know why they can't just fit the 777s with the SkySuite.
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sun Jun 09, 2002 6:20 pm

I guess tastes differ among individuals. I personally think the standard First Class seats on SQ are quite nice. In contrast, I find the skysuites rather unappealing. For Singaporeans who know the type of coffins the Chinese Taoist used in the past to bury the dead, you will see similar resemblance in the Skysuite.

Their 777s (except the 777ER) are not long haul aircrafts, and therefore, the standard FCL seatings are adequate. Just my 2 cents worth.
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sun Jun 09, 2002 6:37 pm

As the SQ and SY series are the only B777s with First Class and as these aircraft are only utilised on what is termed regional services or medium haul sectors skysuites will not be fitted. These will only be installed on aircraft that operate long-haul. If the B777 SVs had First Class there would be skysuites. Of course the B744s with skysuites will be used on such runs as Sydney because of the intense competition with BA and QF. Not all B747-400s have skysuites, some have the old First Class interior with no plans to upgrade. These aircraft are used on medium haul sectors such as Tokyo via Taipei and are usually the old models of the SMA era.

Just a footnote, part of the SIA B777 deal with Boeing is that all B777-200s delivered are ER models or IGW as it was orginally known. All the SQ and SR aircraft can operate long-haul all that is required is a new certificate at the higher maximum take-off weight and the turn of a screwdriver on the RR engines EEC to increase maximum thrust to 92,000 lb. They would not be able to crew them though without the addition of crew bunks.
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sun Jun 09, 2002 6:39 pm


SQ772, I'd however have to agree with 9V-SVE on some points.

The First Class that i've tried and are still in service are the ones on the SQ B744s, the 12 seat skysuites and 16 seat normal first, SQ772 and 773, with normal 2-2-2 First Class seats. Yes, as you said just like the A340, the normal first class seats are also very comfortable! However, comparing to the skysuites, i'd say that only the skysuites really make you feel like flying first, when the skysuites exsist. Totally privacy, a absolutely different seat different features on the seat for example 14 inches screen monitor, a fully flat bed etc. I'm not too sure about the A340 First, however the B772 and B773 first seats could not be reclined to 180 degrees, on the normal first class seats on the B744 the seats could reach around 170 degrees of recline, not yet totally flat though.

Just take this as an example. Some businessman is paying around $6000 US dollars to fly on SQ first from SIN - SYD. However as we all know that sometimes SQ send the 16 F configuration to Sydney. And so he got the 16 F configuration B744s. On his return flight, he got the skysuites B744. If you were him, well you (at lease me) would ask the staff "Was I flying business on my SIN - SYD sector trip? Not really a joke, i'm sure that if the businessmen are expecting to get the skysuites but instead the got the normal first class, I reckon they won't be really pleased, especially he has to pay the ticket.

It's indeed two different thing when you fly the skysuite and the normal F. It's not just the seats that make everything changed, it's actually the atmosphere. I doubt there would be a great decline in service when you fly the normal F instead of the skysuites, still...when comparing, you'll get what i mean.




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To be honest, if you've never seen both pictures and the remarks could you reckon easily which one is first or business by looking at the pic? I reckon the main difference between the two pics is that the the legroom on the A340 F is much much better than Raffles on the A340, just like the pic below.


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When you compare both pictures, you'll see what i mean. Also a 2-1-2 configuration in F.

SQ should not bother to install Skysuites and Spacebed on the B772 and B773 in my opinion, especially when the B773 are also used for medium - long range destinations, along with the B772. It's understandable that SQ does not install them on the A310 and A340, however for the rest of the planes......

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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Sun Jun 09, 2002 7:00 pm

Yes, 9VSVE, just by looking at pictures of PCL and JCL, I can identify a JCL from a PCL almost immediately (even without looking at the remarks). But then again, that's because I was from the airline industry.

I do agree that flying in a skysuite is a completely different experience. I have tried both, and although the ambience was "grander", I didn't feel more comfortable than if I was flying on a standard PCL.

Yes, the A340 seat reclines almost 180deg. The 777 seat does not, but it certainly is comfortable enough to give you a good night's sleep.

Of course it would be great if all aircrafts can be retrofitted with skysuites, but at this point in time, there is really no urgent need for it.
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RE: SQ's 772ERs

Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:49 am

These F class seats are so....normal! It's not superior to what other airlines have to offer at all.