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Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 12:19 am

The €uropean Commission said a plan by Airbus to make a plane which flies on Hydrogen is off to a flying start.

The project, "shows use of liquid hydrogen is technically feasible, and would greatly reduce the environmental impact of aviation without affecting safety."

The €U wants Hydrogen planes as they are more environmentally friendly and therefore reduce the contribution to the Greenhouse €ffect.

"Hydrogen is much lighter than kerosene, and has a higher energy content," said Reiner Dunker, the project's scientific adviser. "But it is a high-volume fuel that would require larger fuel tanks."

Boeing is going along the line of fuel cells.

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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 12:21 am

People. They make an airline. www.cathaypacific.com
 
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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 12:32 am

Hmmm, considering that statistics show that while many folks survive the initial impact of a crash, and they are killed by the post crash fire, I suppose a ruptured hydrogen tank in an accident would at least minimize their suffering.
 
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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 12:42 am

Why are the plane manufactureres researching this. I would have thought the engine manufacturers would be leading the way.
 
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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 12:49 am

This is just an attempt by Airbuse to dull the increasingly optimistic prospects of Boeing's Sonic Cruiser. They figure that if they float this idea airlines will look away from the SC since it uses normal jet fuel and airlines are worried about the cost of fuel. However, the post mentions that Boeing is looking at fuel cells. Not sure if that's a part of the article or commentary from the person who posted the item. Those fuel cells are going to make a major impact in future Boeing products.

It just goes to show you that Airbuse is worried about the long-term success of their "blob" (A380).
 
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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 2:23 am

About time some alternative energies are being researched...
Fossil fuels will not last forever... nor will the ozon layer...
The sooner, the better.
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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 2:44 am

Reggaebird, I don't believe it is a move because of the Sonic cruiser, we need to look into alternative resources, and one day in the future we will eventually run out, so it's better that they are studying this earlier.

Yup, I agree Aaer777, it's good that they are looking into alternative types of energy. It's better earlier rather than later, researching it now and becoming familiar of how to make hydrogen powered aircraft.

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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 5:54 am

There are a lot of problems with the concept of Hydrogen powered planes, not least the explosive nature of the fuel. I remember reading that Lockheed (via the skunk works) looked into the possibility of a hydrogen powered aricraft way back in the 50's or 60's as a mach3 spyplane before they created the blackbird. They gave up on Hydrogen because the amount of Hydrogen required to power a plane over a reasonable range meant that the aircraft was basically a huge hydrogen tank and well over 250 feet long purely to carry a few cameras at high speed.

If you consider the added weight of passengers and a reasonable amount of cargo - I would imagine the plane to be enormous and far from cost effective to fly. But goodluck to airbus anyway - anything is better than the SC which is not what I call a quantum leap forward - afterall business jets fly regularly at mach 0.90+ wheres the advance there???

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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 7:25 am

In response to RickB, I agree with your skepticism about hydrogen fuel, its' much greater volume compared to petroleum based fuel makes its' use in commercial airplanes too impractical. Lockheed also studied a hydrogen powered L-1011 airliner before capitulating to the same reality as with their spyplane; too much of the plane's volume was filled with fuel tanks. I find it hard to imagine Airbus can solve this problem, it's inherent in the physical properties of the fuel. However, I find your argument on the Sonic Cruiser to be off-base. The fact that many airlines have publically expressed interest in such an aircraft means there is a viable market providing the operating economics are favorable. Yes, the speed alone is not a quantum leap but that speed: 15 to 20 % above today's commercial jets WITH similar operating economics (which Boeing believes it can deliver) is what makes the SC a breakthrough. The greater speed per route can translate into greater frequencies and higher yields. The business jet analogy is invalid for most of us since most of us are not privileged corporate travelers. If Boeing can solve the technical ins and outs of the concept (and if anyone can, they can), the Sonic Cruiser is a surefire winner in the increasingly fragmented, point to point air travel scheme.
 
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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 11:03 am

Hello guys,

The Cryoplane is not a new project, the "system analysis" began in 2000.
More info, pictures etc.. on http://www.eads.net/eads/en/index.htm?/xml/en/businet/airbus/cryoplane/cryoplane.xml&airbus

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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 11:07 am



Looks like an A300 with a hump.
 
goingboeing
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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 11:28 am

Looks more like the Hindenburg with engines to me...hey wait a second...it IS!
 
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RE: Airbus Industrie - A Hydrogen Powered Plane

Sat Jun 01, 2002 1:45 pm

Reggaebird - I have remmeber hearing about Airbus developing a 'Cryoplane' as far back as the early 90s. This is really nothing to do with distracting from Boeing's SC.

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