hkgspotter1
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A Real Aircraft!

Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:10 pm

None of that quiet and clean rubbish !!


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dripstick
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:15 pm

Yikes. I've never seen a 27 smoke THAT bad.

Wonder what they were burning back in 1971? JP-4?

cough Nice shot. cough
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hkgspotter1
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:24 pm

What about this little smoker then ??


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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:27 pm

I second that about the "quiet and clean rubbish" Hkgspotter1.
Since Air NZ dumped the 737-200s, most of what we get at WLG are the -300,
-700 and -800; Pussy Planes. Big grin .......BORING!

A few times a week though we get the Air Force coming in with something nice and noisy (and smokey)!!

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hkgspotter1
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Sun Jun 02, 2002 9:32 pm

Hong Kong has got BETTER !!, we now have the CEBU PACIFIC DC-9 and the TRANSMILE 727F's !!. They not be very loud but its better then nothing !
 
hkg82
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 3:24 am

That's an awesome shot of the 727! It's truly a great aircraft in every sense of the word. I'm glad we get the 727 & for that matter the DC-9 in Hong Kong, but I haven't seen the DC-9 yet.

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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 3:57 am

When i spot at ORD i always know when a 727 is coming.... you can see that smokestack from 5 miles out!!!  Big thumbs up
 
dc863
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 7:17 am

The airlines were forced to install burner cans on all JT8 engines in 1971. Believe me I miss seeing those mile long smoke trails of the 727,737,DC9 and CV880 and CV990s. Aircraft now are so much more boring.
 
hkgspotter1
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 9:39 am

Hkg82,

If you never come to the airport you will never see the DC-9 !!
 
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 9:44 am

Look at that smoke! I remember when I was near MDW with Jonathan, Kevin, Gariel, and Don and I was looking at this Northwest DC-9 waiting to takeoff and when it accelerated there was this black smoke that came out of it when it took off and it bounced off the wall and flew up in the air. I also saw a AirTran DC-9 today going to ATL and I saw it leave a smoke trail too.
"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
 
Greg
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 10:14 am

I missed something.
How do you equate smoke with being a 'real' aircraft?
777 doesn't smoke...seems real enough to me.

Or are you talking about the rumble when they pass? That, I can agree on.
Gimme a 737-200 any day!
 
fanofjets
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 10:35 am

For the rumble, nothing (except, perhaps, and A-4 Skyhawk) can beat the four pounding round ones:

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You don't just see that thing for miles, you feel it!
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 11:55 am

When I was in ATL in January, watching all of the AirTran DC9s take off was like watching a bunch of Cigars burning. But then when a 717 took off, the only smoke trail it left was the tires squealing on the runway.
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 12:23 pm

REAL, as in dirty and loud.
 
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 12:30 pm

I wonder how many of you are old enough remember the J57-powered KC-135A water wagons.

They were common sights at the now-closed McClellan AFB near Sacramento, California up to the early 1980's; the KC-135A certainly had very interesting takeoff sounds and sights. Who could forget the very loud whine of the J57's as the plane was flying towards you and the loud roar after the plane passed over, and the J57's trailing a long trail of dark smoke?  Smokin cool
 
dc863
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Mon Jun 03, 2002 11:32 pm

I remember, just like the CV880s and CV990s. I used to live in Chicago in the late 60s and remember seeing Delta's 880s blast off with their characteristic exhaust trail.
 
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 12:29 am

I miss the AA 707's that used to depart CLE. Lots of noise and smoke... Oddly enough I've noticed that A319's and A320's show a little smoke on approach. Haven't seen any on takeoff though.
 
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 12:40 am

You want smoke, just come watch any of our takeoffs in the 'fatboy' . The E-3 is known as a smoking pig  Smile It was great up at Maple Flag this year, the German F-4s we were working with smoked for miles- luckily their callsign was 'Smoke XX'  Smile Those are some smoky airplanes. Making Greenpeace proud I'm sure.....


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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 2:08 am

Right on! The 727 is the real deal. It is not only loud (which I love), the 727 is, IMO, the most sturdy, reliable aircraft ever built, that is why it is my favorite!  Big thumbs up Who needs quiet airplanes? I always loved the howling sound the 727's P&W JT8D engines make.

LONG LIVE THE 727

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SMcC
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:10 am

How about the sound of a 20 series learjet?
It really gets to your gut!
 
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:17 am

A non-hush kitted 727 will make the ground shake. If you ever see one about to go around, cover your ears. I like F-4 Phantoms for the same reason.
 
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:26 am

It is engine fire if this happens to modern acfts like 777/340.

HKspotter1 must be missing those good old smokey days.  Wink/being sarcastic

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ExitRow
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:24 am

Obviously none of you have ever lived under a departure flight path... Old 27's would rattle my windows. No doubt when one flew over.

I distinctly remember these guys being particularly ear-shaking:

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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:28 am

Just think, when the 727 came out in 1964, The Aircraft was "fitted with jt8d pratt and whitney smokeless engines." LOL Makes me wanna laugh.
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dc863
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 5:43 am

I'll always remember the "pocket rocket" DC9-21s of SAS when the took off, now that was some sound! Also the Tridents from BEA. Especially the Trident 3Bs. I lived near STO Arlanda in the early 70s and distincly remember the Tridents roaring overhead. The TU134s from IF and LOT were earsplitters too. To me nothing defines a plane more by it's roar and smoke. I particularly love the Apollo like crackle as it climbs away. As for approach noise the DC8-20s, 30s, 40s and 707s were incredible!
 
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 6:18 am

I would say "A Real Aircraft" was the DC-7C. The engine startup included
miss-ignitions (don't know if thats the right expression in english),
puffs of smoke, and even quite large flames of pure fire
(with a guy on the tarmac pointing a fire-extuingisher at the engine during
startup, just in case).
Don't remember if this was more common with the DC-6B or the DC-7C
(DC-6B had PW R-2800, DC-7 had Wright R-3350).
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 6:22 am

The 737-200s and DC-9s that come into KCLE still smoke and roar! In fact, I can often tell a DC-9 from an MD-80 by the smoke trail (on approach)...

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hkgspotter1
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 9:46 am

Red Panda,

Well, I'm 30 in two weeks so I did not get to see most of the good stuff, I only did REAL spotting since 1992. Yes I saw some 707, 727's even RAF VC-10's and some Concordes (I'm talking about HKG) but I never got to see any of those real smokers !!

I think the most smoky plane I've seen was Z-WST a 707 leasd to Air Hong Kong in the early 90's, I'll never forget that one !!. As for LOUD, well I think Concorde and the RAF VC-10 are the two I like.

Have a great day.

Daryl
 
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 12:52 pm

A real plane that I miss to see is the 880/990 and old straight pipe 707's/DC-8's. Those you could see the smoke trail from takeoff roll to as far as you can see on the horizon for miles. Even when the plane was far over the horizon it was possible to trace it back to its starting point. Another real plane I have seen is a fully loaded cargo Constellation that looks so so slow and looks like it can barely manage to climb a foot per week even with those engines at full throttle!!!
 
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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 1:04 pm

...." Clap Clap Clap Clap...whoohoooooooooooooooooooo..." right on.!!  Big thumbs up

I've video-taped airliners for the last 17 years, and there was nothing like standing at 30L-view point at SJC when a 727 would take off (...what?...)....I can't hear you.......In the AM, before work, I'd be out everyday at 6:30am (curfew reg's for landing a/c) awaiting the 727's of Fed Ex and Charter America-Kitty Hawk and the rest- and wait for the last throttle up approaching 30L as they start to sink, so they'd spew the exhaust all over downtown San Jose ..and get the orange backlight from the rising sun east of SJC...... Big thumbs up

Excellent smoke trails......

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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 1:13 pm

...Ray Chuang...

Yes,,I did manage to get to Beale AFB to film the SR-71 Blackbird in the late 1980's,,,and before the 'Blackbird' departed, 2-KC-135's took off that about smoked us all out....that also was a reminder of when we lived on the hill above BFI when we were kids(pre 1964...)..and the B-47's would take off with JATO bottles.....along with all the KC-135 action we saw daily....Darn I wish video cameras were invented back then...you guys missed it...............


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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 1:33 pm

I love MKE. Hearing all of those Midwest Express DC9-10 and 30 taking off. Wow those still shake the ground once in a while. And I can definatley tell you when the NW 727 is departing even with the hush kit it is loud. Very cool indeed.

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RE: A Real Aircraft!

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:42 pm

I remember when Ansett used to operate the 727-200. On take-off this airplane makes a rumble like no other and on cold crisp nights you could hear those JT8D's for minutes after it had departed. I could always tell it was a 727 approaching because you could see the black trails behind the jet miles away. Unfortunately AN phased out the 727 in early 1997 and now we only have about 2 in the country- flown by Australian Air Express. Ipec used to fly 2 DC-9-30 freighters around Oz that were also real "smokers".

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