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Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Mon Jun 03, 2002 11:44 pm

Hi guys,

It's been rumoured (or rather stated) that the first QF A330-200 will do a special world record flight from Toulouse to Sydney non-stop.. Just wondering if an A330-200 is able to do this or issit simply stretching the limit?

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Mon Jun 03, 2002 11:49 pm

With no (or very few) passengers and crew and no cargo - it might be possible? How far is it?

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 12:12 am

I'm not sure of the code for Toulouse, so I used CDG instead.. from CDG it is 9148nm...
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:22 am

Maybe with heavy heavy weight restrictions.

Without weight restrictions certainly not.

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:29 am

The A330-200's maximum range is 6650nm.

I take it they will start from CDG instead of Toulouse, and as mentioned above that is around 9148nm.

Will maximum weight restrictions set, will that be able to make a difference of 2500nm?

Something tells me in my mind that it won't.

What's the deal here?


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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:29 am



This is 10,691 miles. The A330-200's range is 6400 nautical miles. It cannot make that trip.
 
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:57 am

TLS-SYD (10,691 mi) seems to be a bit much even with zero payload, but it may be feasible. However it would not set a record, the current world record for a commercial airliner is 12,455 miles, set by a B777-200ER flying SEA-KUL eastbound.
 
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:03 am

maybe (if it is possible!) it would be a record for an A330?
 
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:26 am

I read that Boeing flew an empty 747SP on a delivery flight SEA-JNB non-stop. How long was that flight?
 
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 5:13 am



SEA-JNB is 10,263 miles.

The range of a 747SP is 13,720 KM with is 8,525 miles.
 
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 5:19 am

Well, FWIW, an A342 once flew Paris-Auckland-Paris, with no pax of course.

The max. ranges stated for any aircraft are always with full pax (typical seating) and baggage, fuel reserves and no cargo.

According to Airbus' website, an A332 (233t MTOW) could do something around 9000 nm with zero payload.



Toulouse-Sydney is 9290 nm (great circle path). Could be very close. Perhaps with additional fuel tanks.

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 10:09 am

I doubt Qantas will install extra fuel tanks on the A332 just for this flight. The map everyone shows the path curved. What about going straight all the way?
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 10:23 am

Mr.BA - The map is actually showing the shortest distance - it is going straight all the way. Remember, the Earth is pretty much spherical (not perfectly, of course). A rectangular map distorts the proportions of this sphere, and consequently what is really a straight line looks curved. Conversely, a straight line on a rectangular map would be a curved path in reality. If you don't believe me, find a globe, get a piece of string, and connect the two points on the map with the least possible string (i.e. pull tight). You will see the path of the string pretty much replicates that shown on the map.

Hope this helps

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 10:34 am

To answer the "go straight all the way" comment - you have to remember that maps (as displayed above) are already greatly distored with regard to size - especially towards the north and south poles. You have to distort a map that purports to show the entire globe in a rectangle. Thus, the shortest distance between two points on the 3-dimensional globe is a "straight" line (of course, curving around the curvature of the earth) - but this same route appears curved when mapped to a distorted map such as the rectangular examples above.

More on this phemenon at the Great Circle Route Mapper at http://gc.kls2.com. According to the FAQ section at http://gc.kls2.com/faq.html#$misc, "What is a great circle path?
A great circle path is the shortest path on the surface of a sphere between two points on that sphere. Technically, the term geodesic path should be used in this page since Earth is not a true sphere, but the great circle terminology is common usage. "

Hope this helps!
 
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 1:11 pm

Ok guys thanks so much for the help i didn't know! Thanks again. But I really wonder how is it going make it.
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 1:32 pm

From the map showing the Great Circle route it looks that if the A330-200 ever does this it will have Tail winds on its side. Also can't extra fuel tanks be place in the main deck in place of some Y seats. I know that these main-deck auxiliry fuel tanks can be installed/removed easily and the Y-seats won't take much time to re-install.
Also, does the A330-200 have the same fuel system as the A319CJ?. If it does than extra fuel tanks which look like cargo containers can be installed in the cargo deck and then removed when the aircraft arrives in SYD.
 
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 2:06 pm

When Air Mauritius had its 767-200s delivered, they flew a route of SEA-Newfoundland-Mauritius. Newfoundland to Mauritius is a very long journey, it set a record for the 762, but I'm not sure about in general. What is the point of risking a brand new airplane, or wasting money on adding extra fuel tanks, if the plane can easily make an hour stop in hundreds of locations along the way. Are they really trying to prove they can do it, or is that just an assumption we made here? Remember, this is the same Qantas that had its employees pull by hand a 747 to set a world record, hmmm...

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 2:23 pm

Aio86: "Remember, this is the same Qantas that had its employees pull by hand a 747 to set a world record, hmmm..."

I didn't know this story. Could you tell me a bit more?

TIA

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 2:50 pm

Aio86 are you talking about the 744 that did LHR-SYD non-stop? If you are the aircraft was actually towed to the runway!!!
 
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:02 pm

There was once on an episode of Guiness Records on TV, that 1 person had pulled a QF B747-438 Wunala Dreaming using his own body strength over some distance (not sure if it was his teeth or not)....
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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:36 pm

hmmm they might deliver that A330 like boeing did with the 717s to Hawaiian Air. Maybe.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:42 pm

I would say it is possible under the right conditions.

Remember, the distance will most likely be less than 9000odd nautical miles, as the wind will be from behind the aircraft, generally speaking. Notice how SIN-Europe is generally an hour or so longer than Europe-SIN?

Air miles are what count, not ground miles.

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 8:49 pm

B777 can't make it unless it's for delivery.

B777 too big for QF domestic operations.

Good deal from Airbus because of A380 order.

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RE: Can An A330-200 Make Toulouse-Syd?

Tue Jun 04, 2002 9:04 pm

Very correct about the ground and air distance :

Ground Distance can be 9.200 nm, but if flying with an average tail wind component you might end up with an air distance that is well below the max range (respecting minimum reserve fuel requirements).

An in-flight reclearance near the end of the flight might also help a bit.

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