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Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:13 pm

 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:27 pm

They say the first possible start date would be September 15. However, I don't think they'll manage it to start services by this date. Maybe in October or November.
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 04, 2002 7:51 pm

This pic is quite old...take a look at their homepage: http://www.air-switzerland.net
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:36 pm

Swisswings (currently in receivership) will be taken over by Air Switzerland. The airline will resume operations in mid-July under the Air Switzerland europe brand. It will most probably resume Swisswings' profitable routes from Berne to Amsterdam and Munich. More details to follow tommorow at a press conference in Berne. It will be possible to download more information on these plans from tomorrow afternoon on their website.
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:49 pm

Not such a fan of the color scheme at the moment. Personal opinion.

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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 1:38 am

My first thought on the logo is that it reminds me the flag of Liechtenstein  Smile




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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 1:43 am

Nooooo....this livery is so poor ! Who designed this livery ? this is so ugly ! Even my little brother could design a better color scheme...
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 2:50 am

Hello,

Quote from the first press release of Air Switzerland:


Starting September 2002, air Switzerland - which is completely privately financed - will offer "scheduled charter" services as an attractively-priced alternative for long-haul flights from Unique Airport Zurich. It is planned to provide scheduled charter services in three classes to selected holiday and business destinations such as Las Vegas, Cape Town, Bangkok, Singapore, Hong Kong and Dubai. With these offerings air Switzerland sees its role as an ideal complement to Swiss, and as contributing to the attractiveness of air travel to and from Switzerland.

In the start-up phase, air Switzerland will fly two A340-300 machines of the airbus family. The two aircraft are currently in Hamburg but will be brought to Zurich-Kloten at least six weeks before flight operations begin. They each have 10 first class, 30 business class and 225 economy class seats. The tail fin of the aircraft bears the Swiss cross, the colours of Liechtenstein and a crown. The crown symbolizes a service orientation in which the customer is king, explains Manfred Rutz, Vice President Sales & Marketing.

air Switzerland already has 12 employees and has moved into its headquarters in Glattbrugg. In preparation for flight operations it is now recruiting 17 commanders, 32 first officers and 175 flight attendants.



Best regards,
Alain Mengus
Air Transport Business
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 3:55 am

Thx Alain. Anyway with the scheme more Liechtenstein-ish than Swiss the name of the airline seems a bit strange...
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 5:37 am

Well, I don't think that with an Air Liechtenstein you will have bigger sucess than with Air Switzerland (if).
There have already been different discussions regarding this topic...

cheers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 7:35 am

Will these be the two ex-SQ A340s stored in Hamburg or somewhere in Europe?
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 2:16 pm

Yes it will be the two A340-300s stored in Hamburg.
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 2:40 pm

Will they take over the Do328 from Swisswings for the planed flights from Berne to Munich and Amsterdam?
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 3:08 pm

Are these the ex Singapore A340s that Boeing recieved from them?

Also what is "Unique Airport Zurich" I see that mentioned every so often.

SR3496,

The pic of the A340 on the Air-Switzerland.net website is exactly the same as the one on JP's. If this is "old" then what is the new one?

Weird there would be any connection to Lichtenstein if the airline doesn't even serve the country. Doesn't make much business sense if you ask me.

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Twaneedsnohelp

Wed Jun 05, 2002 3:12 pm

Unique is the official name of Zuirch its actualy: Zurich Kloten international airport. But the new name is Unique Airport, or Unique Zurich airport. The website is

also: there is no possible way to serve Liechtenstein as there is no airport in the country.  Smile The CEO is from there.
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 3:17 pm

Isn't Mario Ritter from Liechtenstein? Why they don't serve St.Gallen-Altenrhein? Thats the nearest airport from Vaduz. OK, no chance with an A340 but why not some smaller planes?
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 5:58 pm

Altenrhein is only served by the Austrian Airlines group subsidiaries Rheintalflug and Tyrolean Airways. The only scheduled route is Altenrhein-Vienna as Altenrhein is very close to the Austrian state of Vorarlberg. There are also some charter flights operated by Rheintalflug with its ERJ-145s to Olbia and Palma de Mallorca and with Intersky, the CEO of this airline the wife of the CEO of Rheintalflug, to Elba Island.

It is nearly impossible to add more flights out of Altenrhein as even Rheintalflug is only allowed to operate six daily flights out of this airport. It would also not make sense to start other flights out of Altenrhein.

They will most probably take over the ex-Swisswings aircraft, I heard they were renegotiating leasing contracts with Fairchild Dornier. The Berne-Munich and Berne-Amsterdam routes were among the only profitable routes of Swisswings. So I suppose, they will resume operations on these routes. I don't know about the Geneva operations or possible feeder services for its long-haul route out of Zurich.

Let's wait and see.
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 6:44 pm

Well one things for sure, its 1000 times better then the SWISS scheme !!
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 7:10 pm

It wouldn't make any sense to run two airlines, one at BRN/GVA and another at ZRH, they would have to operate the Do328 at ZRH to feed the A340 flights, but since they want to go for 50% incomming it won't be that hard I think, but I wonder where they want to get the 50% incomming pax at destinations like Bangkok, Las Vegas, Singapore etc...
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 9:52 pm

air Switzerland will start in july with flights from BRN. They will take over 3 Do328 from Swisswings.

http://www.tages-anzeiger.ch/ta/taOnlineNewstickerArtikel?ArtId=70270&rubrikid=643
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 10:01 pm

Doesn't make sense for me to run the small planes (which could be used for feeder-flights) out of BRN to European Destinations and to run the A340 out of ZRH.
Seems as two different airlines, just imagine airlines like BA, AF, KL would operate their long-haul planes at LHR, FRA, AMS and all European feeder-flights to LGW, MUC or what ever. This seems very strange.

The airline also still failed to mention about the investors, they are from Switzerland, Germany and USA (as per Lionels article) but no names. Don't you think this is strange?
They also informed earlier that they will work together with a big Tour Operator (mostly Swiss) and also here, no names mentioned so far.
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 11:50 pm

Zurich Airport is the official name for passenger and airlines. Unique Airport is the name of the company which runs the airport, since Zurich airport is privat and not anymore state owened.
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Wed Jun 05, 2002 11:57 pm

BTW this scheme is one of the ugliest I have ever seen. I don't think that Air Switzerland will succeed because they don't have any major travel agency to fill there aircrafts. I am wondering from where they get their passengers. Swiss leisure market has already too many aircrafts: Swiss, Belair, Edelweiss
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Thu Jun 06, 2002 1:20 am

You can even add Hapag-Lloyd which will most probably take over the charter flights on behalf of TUI Suisse in 2003 (currently operated by Swiss).
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:25 pm

The first of the two ex-SIA Airbus A340 (D-ASIA) departed HAM for XLW last week. It will be outfitted and painted for Khalifa, so this aircraft will not be operated by Air Switzerland. However, another ex-SIA A340 (now D-ASIC) has arrived at HAM from SIN, so there is still a chance that these two aircraft will be leased by Air Switzerland.

Unfortunately, the conversation from the current SIA-interior to the proposed Air Switzerland one seems to be very expensive, so Air Switzerland is currently looking for other options than the ex-SIA A340s.


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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Thu Jun 06, 2002 3:47 pm

I am also wondering that Air Switzerland wants to offer F class as a charter airline. Even well known scheduled airlines like LH and BA are considering to give up F class.
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:35 pm

As I said, they don't need big TOs in Switzerland since around 50% should be incom Pax, means departing outside ZRH, so you need TOs at ZRH and at all important Stations...

Is Air Switzerland a 100% Charter airline or do they also want to load their schedule in the CRS? Anyone know about this?
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:42 pm

So Boeing has 9 more to go...9V-SJH, 9V-SJI, 9V-SJJ, 9V-SJK, 9V-SJM, 9V-SJN, 9V-SJO, 9V-SJP, and 9V-SJQ (Last two not taken up by SQ - Could Air Switzerland could have bought them?)
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Fri Jun 07, 2002 3:30 am

http://www.aircraft-leas.com

No comment on that one ...
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:10 pm

Did anybody know if Air Switzerland has already get slots, especially on the overseas destinations or is this not necessary, because they operate as a charterairline?
Yesterday, there was an interview with the 21 year old CEO M.Ritter on swiss television. Did anyone saw this?
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:00 pm

I saw the interview, it's also on SFinfo several times today. It was embarrassing ...
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:22 pm

Thomas: ABSOLUTELY embarrassing! Now I really have doubts about Air Switzerland's future. I had the impression, that he is only the one to slap in the face. The real chief seem to be the other managers. That was at least my impression.

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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Mon Jun 10, 2002 9:50 pm

A 21 year old CEO?Good luck to him
 
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Mon Jun 10, 2002 10:45 pm

Isn't he already 22 years old?

Well, the TV Interview, there was no difference compared to all earlier Interviews mostly in Swiss Travel Trade magazines.
They say they don't want to give infos out, I wonder if they have the infos their self.

No doubt that they could take off in SEP/OCT02 but the question is how long they will go and fly.

Donder10
I think also a 21 (or 22) years old will be able to lead a company it self with the right people working together with him, its not the normal case but possible.
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:00 pm

http://www.aircraft-leas.com, very UNPROFFESIONAL!

What do they want to do, to lease their A340 if they don't have enough pax?
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:22 pm

Hi Gabriel,

What do they want to do, to lease their A340 if they don't have enough pax?

Mario Ritter told me on the phone aircraft-leas (nice name) would be an air broker business, however I never heard about this here in Switzerland. I also can't find out where on his website he wrote that. He actually wrote:

"MRG also offers our customers to organize aircrafts for chartering & special roundtrips operated by aircraft-leas."

I thought an air broker wouldn't operate the aircraft, maybe I'm totally wrong ....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I also never heard of his cargo business.
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:14 am

I think an air broker could operate planes as long as they also sell seats by them self.

I wonder which planes they want to use, lets say you have a carrier who has a timetable. Why should they have planes left to lease away? Doesn't make sense at all for me.

In the webpages things are indicated very bad and not understandable at all.

I don't know this Mario Ritter personally but it seems as he wants to be "on air" for a short moment. Would love to know what kind of business plan they have at the moment  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:47 am

@Swissgabe: I think you misunderstood something. He says he is already running this air broker business. He's the owner of this funny Mario Ritter Group which "is" obviously running lots of travel agencies (I know it only one small travel agent in Eschen, Liechtenstein), an air broker, a worldwide cargo business etc. etc.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:56 am

Well, I know about this Mario Ritter Group, there have been reports on this around 3-4 month ago.
What I'm asking is about the organisation for groups and tours etc. It sounds as he will provide the plane for the group him self (or at least by his MR Group). Do they lease other planes for this or do they plan to operate their own planes to lease them away? Which market (location) they want to reach with their website?
This group has banch offices all over the world, are they really that big and well known (I mean even outside Liechtenstein  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:51 am

Well, an air broker buys a certain number of flying hours from an airline and sells this "hours" to its customers. He's claiming to do this already. Maybe you could send him an inquiry to find out whether he will send you an offer for the route you requested.

I don't know which market he wants to reach. The only thing I know is that there is only one MRG office in Eschen, Liechtenstein. There is no other MRG travel agency or office outside Liechtenstein. He just says he would be active in the regions mentioned on the Air Switzerland website. However, the aircraft-leas.com website is registered for:
Mario Ritter Group Inc.
1461 First Avenue 360
New York, NY 20001
US
1-888-295-3827

I don't know if there is an office in New York, it could also be a letterbox company. Who knows ...
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:59 am

In one of the first "rumors" in the Swiss Magazine "Travel Inside" there was indicated that they have offices (branchs) in most of the destinations where they want to fly into.
Will chk again and let you know...
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RE: Air Switzerland A340

Tue Jun 11, 2002 2:13 am

Mario Ritter said there wouldn't be any other MRG offices than in Eschen. Maybe there could be some local partners around there but I doubt those partners would be able to care for the 50% incoming traffic they hope to get.
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