jgore
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Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:12 am

Hey foks!!!
This is my fantasy!!! is it yours also ?

jgore  Smile
 
Sonic
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:17 am

Sorry, I do not understand...
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:17 am

This is a very sad if this happens, but I dreamt this already about 4 times!! I don't know why, it just happened.

Regards,
Frederic
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:22 am

You're sick and twisted to have a fantasy that involves the death of other people. Just be patient and work hard to get to fly an airliner. Don't wish other peoples misfortune.








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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:27 am

I reckon!!  Nuts
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:30 am

There's a popular paperback book in the United States, called "The Worst-Case Scenario Survival Handbook," that has tips for surviving dangerous situations. One of the situations involves landing an airplane if the pilot dies or becomes incapacitated. It's aimed at small planes, not airliners.
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:34 am

Anyway good luck guys....I surely will read the news in the newspaper and see it on CNN..."plane crashed"...
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:46 am

Hm, I think there are nicer dreams of piloting an airliner and/ or being a big hero, and they don't involve dead people. That's kinda sick and twisted in my personal opinion (no offense, but you asked for our opinion).

When I was young, I dreamed of being a TriStar pilot - it was the first plane I ever flew on, and as a six year old I found the red and white LTU colors on that huuuge aircraft just "plane awesome" (pun intended).
It's a pity that those dreams hardly ever come back when you grow older and lose the naivity (sp?) of youth... Now I'm getting philosophical...

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jgore
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:48 am

I'm sure you got me wrong guys. I'm just telling i've heard that many future pilots have dreamed or fantazied about this situation, and it's my case too.
I don't wish misfortune for anyone, don't get me wrong, PLEASE.

jgore  Sad
 
wilcharl
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:50 am

if both pilots died, i would hope that a dead heading pilot sitting in first class was there to land the aircraft rather then a plane spotting non pilot
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:55 am

Ok, now I get your point!  Smile
Actually, I'd keep my fingers crossed that someone competent would be on board (like a deadheading pilot or a really experienced private pilot). Because although I logged many thousend hours of flight sim flying over the years, this is nowhere close enough to reality (altough it gives you quite some understanding of whats going on when you're flying as a passenger) to actually fly a real airliner and not crash it into the ground miserably.
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:15 am

In your dream how do you get through the locked, reinforced cockpit door?
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:33 am

well, i don't get throught the locked door, i get called by the crew  Smile
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:34 am

LOL MD88captain LOL!!! Good one hehehehehehehehe
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:37 am

Jgore, Come and land the plane.
We're dying!!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:39 am

heheheh i'll be there in a minute!, meanwhile set up the autopilot!  Smile

jgore  Smile
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 5:25 am

Jgore - if they're dead, how are they going to call you and open the door for you? I still think fantasizing about this is sick and wrong. Again, just work hard to get to the point someday when you can do it for real and not in some wild hair brained fantasy.

Since I was about 6 I knew I wanted to be an airline pilot. I dreamed everyday of my life for the opportunity to fly an airliner. It came true last June 1, on my first revenue flight as a pilot. I never once though dreamed whilst flying the pilots would become incapasitated. I pursued my dream in a logical way.

If this ever were the case, I wouldn't hope a private pilot would save the day. Since a weird twist of fate would cause both pilots to drop dead to begin with, that simple twist of fate would also mean that it was a full flight and a fully qualified pilot of the particular airplane I was flying on was occupying the cockpit jumpseat.


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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 5:39 am

Well with my flying experience in twin props, i hope i would be able to land a jet. Of course it would be a horrible landing but with help from the tower and stuff, i would like to think i could get the plane down on the runway. I really hope i dont have to do this though.
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 5:53 am

Perhaps Jgore should have rephrased the question sans the apparent glee, but I have to admit this has gone through my mind before.....particularly since 9/11 when , if the fates were kinder and the passengers of the United flight over Pennsylvania were successful in subduing the hijackers they would have, by all best estimates of the situation, have been aboard a Boeing 757 with no cockpit crew.

Could that aircraft ..or any modern airliner...have been landed by:

-Just one rated commercial pilot (any type) amongst the passengers?
-An experienced private pilot?
-A beginner private pilot?
-A non pilot with some MS FlightSim hours? (Don't laugh! If it's your only option..??????)
-A non pilot (harkening back to the 'f/a lands the jumbo' days of Hollywood action movies.)

Interesting questions. Anyone?

 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:16 am

I took some flying lessons about three years ago.
It wouldn't be the prettiest touch down...and maybe not on the runway...but I think I could get it down in one piece.

But it's hardly a fantasy.
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:22 am

if you guys are obcessed by your flying fantasy there was an article in flying sometime back.. basicly said there are enough deadheads on the average flight that a private pilot-flight simer would be out ranked, but that otto-the-pilot could save the day if a pax knew how to use it
 
azjubilee
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:26 am

Principles of flight are the same no matter what airplane you fly. But controling props and controling jet engines are totally different. You can't expect immediate responce from jet engines, like you can in a prop. I also wouldn't want controlers trying to talk me through something sight unseen... AIRPLANE was a movie kids. It wouldn't be pretty by any means, but it could probably be done. But it isn't just a matter up putting it on the ground, it's a matter of slowing down, extending the flaps, flying the right speeds etc... airliners aren't the 172 where you can go fly it without knowing limitations or speeds.



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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:29 am

I really reckon i could do it, with all the knowledge I have on how to fly an a/c. Perhaps not a 747, but a 737 would be possible!

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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplan

Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:42 am

This was discussed at length on PPRUNE.

The end feeling was if it was a modern aircraft with fly by wire autoland systems (eg 747,777, 737NG A320/30/40) it could be landed by a passenger - as long as there was someone on the ground to talk through all the procedures. The person in the cockpit must have some previous idea of what is going on , maybe on flight sim or an aviation interest. Small single engine prop aircraft experience really would not count for anything apart from habing an understanding with the terminologies being used, as flying a large aircraft and knowing is systems is just too different.
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:05 pm

Wietse,

thats awful bold of you, and boldness is death in aviation... there are old pilots there are bold pilots but there are no old and bold pilots.. if you dont understand it think about it... So you could land a 737... well I would not want you landing my plane... as AZNJubilee pointed out jet engines dont spool up immediatly like they do in a cessna 172 or in flight simulator.. a real plane doenst have a reset button when you crash... A 172 as long as you dont stall it and spin it into the ground is a very forgiving aircraft... How do you plane spotters and flight simulators think you can fly a plane becaue you fly a simulator with an aircraft that was designed by some teenager thats a brillent artist and has every detail of the plane depicted in flgiht simulator but the FLIGHT MODEL SUCKS.. there is no engine start key on a 737 newer aircraft with FADEC systems make engine starting easy but it sure isnt Microsoft Flight Simulator.. lets say you do have some stick and rudder skills are you going ot know how to use the com radios??? 121.5 mean anything to you... 7700.... how about presseruization schedules.. we dont want our passengers to have the bends do we... what about shear panic...could you act in the istuation, could you aviate and fly the aircraft until the last piece falls off... Im not a line pilot, but ive flown jumpseat many times, and its not sititng back and drinking cofee guys critical phases of flight have high workloads... you have two people up there... and you still have CFIT acidents, or other human factors related accidents where 2 experienced aviatiors crash a perfectly good airplane...

now saying there was no dead heads or non reving pilots on board

who would i want up there, someone that can be a manager someone that can work under stress... Not someone with a Canon EOS camara or some kid sitting back in coach playing flight simulator on his laptop playing like he is flying the route...

sorry for the rant
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:13 pm

Since most large airliners can land without a human touching the controls, it is not much of an issue anymore.

However, I used to have the same fantasy. I wanted to be the first 11 year old to land the then new 737 at Jimmy Stewart Airport in Indiana, PA. 1968 seems so recent.
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:34 pm

First of all, guys, lighten up! I don't think that Jgore is wishing death on anyone, I think he just wants to save the day! Who doesn't? It is a harmless fantasy, one which played out in my head almost every flight I took as a kid. The fantasy did not include the death of anyone, just perhaps incapacitation (Yes, I remember, I had the lasagna!). It really didn't matter, I just wanted to get my hands on the controls! BTW, having that dream did not preclude me from working towards my goal and eventually flying them myself. Let's not get so preachy, it was a harmless question.

That being said, I think that a private pilot could be told how to operate the autopilot and perform an autoland (maybe...it ain't as easy as it sounds!). However, I would like to respond to those who posted that they think they could actually land an airliner (hand-flown) because they took a couple of lessons, use flightsim, or fly a 172. I used to think the same thing. Then I flew a commercial jet, and quickly realized that with the limited amount of knowledge and skill I had as a private pilot, I would have been a smoking hole if my little fantasy ever played out. Things happen a LOT quicker and a LOT differently in a 767 (or even a 737) than they do in a 172.

Could it be done without an autopilot? I suppose anything is possible, but I think the survival chances would be pretty slim.

Let's hope we never have to find out!
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:40 pm

I miss piedmont: you tell me which planes out there can land by themselves without the pilots touching the controls? Sure there are autoland airplanes, but the autopilot does not deploy the flaps and gear, the autopilot doesn't know what speeds to fly and the autopilot doesn't know if the winds outside are above the limitations for an autoland. The avro will land itself nicely and decelarate to 60 knots dead on the center line. But you better be sure the wind isn't going to exceed the limitations of 10, 25 and 15 knots. YOu better make sure all the appropriate lights have come on at the right times to ensure proper autoland. You better be there to put the flaps to 33 while going through 18 and 24 and not overspeeding them. Gear will be essential too and you better not overspeed those either. If you want it to actually touchdown and not float all the way you better be at the right speeds. Sure, there are autothrottles but the pilots control that through the MCP.

No matter what plane it is the autoland wasn't designed to be used without pilots there. Remember computers are only as good as their operators.

What help would anyone expect from controlers? These people are the ones that expect you to pay the price for their mistakes.


AZJ
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:47 pm

Well, i've been reading all of your replys and i got something to say about it.
I noticed that many of you ADMIT having ,at some time, that sort of fantasy.
And i also noticed, that many people get mad about reading that someone had this sort of fantasy or dream.
In many of those replys when someone got mad about it, they used to "yell" like "what the hell ? are you going to land a plane 'cause you have some Microsoft Flight Simulator expierence? " and so on.
But the truth is that i didn't post this thread for you guys to start debating about whether you would be able to land a plane or not.
I just wanted you guys to tell me if you ever thought or dreamed about this, lets call it, fantasy, that's all.
I'm not mad about what happened in this thread in light of that simple question i made, but i'm trying to tell you foks that you've gone very far, and the topic right now has gone off its original question.
I don't wanna know if you are able to land a plane or not, this is part of another thread that could be called "i can land a plane by just having the ils frequency, approach course (OBS) and speed limits.". got it ?.
Some others said "instead of fantazing, try to make your dream come true".
I, and many others, don't think we're not gonna make our dreams come true about being a pilot by just having this kind of fantazy.
As for me, i DO wanna be a pilot, and it doesnt matter what kind of dream i could have, 'cause this is part of everyone, this is the natural desire of being a star, being in the cockpit, and i'm sure every future pilot has this feeling in their hearts, to be a star.
Many of you would think i have a maleficient mind or something by having this kind of fantasy. But you wanna know something ?, i wanna be more than a pilot. I also wanna help, be kind with my passengers. I don't dream morbid dreams about Airline Industry. I also dream about when in flight, going to every row, every seat , asking to my passengers if everything's right. Smiling at them, taking them off the fear of fliying.
And you guys tell me i wish misfortune to the Pilots?.................
Hope you got my point.

JGORE
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:59 pm

YEAH!!! I dream about it like atleast once a week. i think a lot of people have that fantacy... for some reason I'm always either in a 777 or an A340 in the dreams...I have no clue why.
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wilcharl
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 1:00 pm

Like azjubilee said...

"What help would anyone expect from controlers? These people are the ones that expect you to pay the price for their mistakes."

No matter how much the controler screws up every night they go home and get laid... if you crash you may not go home and get laid... I have alot of respect for controlers, but a well seasoned pilot told me that once and its definlty true...

Droping the gear is another good point sure the horns are going to be going off, but people still consistiantly gear up airplanes...

what if your flying say an aircraft that did a single engine taxi and they pulled the CB on the gear horn before they croaked... your going to be like
wow this thing flares awful low compared to flight simulator or "this thing has the same flare height as a 172 then you hear the screaching metal

 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 1:22 pm

I've had similar "dreams" or fantasys. Of course, no one wants anyone to get hurt. But (as in the example of flight 93), if the pilots are unable, for whatever reason, to continue their duties, I would hope that I would be in a position to get the plane on the ground safety.
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 3:08 pm

I think the best way to go about it if it did happen is to control the airplane via autopilot. If you have a basic PPL and have SOME knowledge of a/c systems e.g FMS then you have a chance to land it. Control your speed with autothrottle, set a level and get ATC to vector you to a runway(using Autopilot HDG controls). Dial up the ILS frequency and let the airplane fly the approach(maybe even autoland if you can)and bring the flaps and landing gear down same as you would in a C-172 etc. But the person flying would need at least a PPL- i don't think your average spotter would have the knowledge to pull it off. It's not so much how many hours you have got but rather how much you know about the airplanes systems. If it happened in an A320 perhaps it would be a little easier than say a 737/757 etc.
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 7:09 pm

Hi,
Jgore,
First of all, I think your fantasy is quite normal. You never said that you wished the crew dead! You were just fantasising about suddenly finding yourself at the controls of a jet airliner. I think many people, including myself, have had that fantasy. BTW, don't just dream about it. If you really want to become an airline pilot, then GO FOR IT! If you are really motivated, there's a very big chance that you're going to make it!

Read again Flydeltasjets' reply (Posted 2002-06-06 05:34:05 ) and Gordonroxburgh's (Posted 2002-06-05 23:42:10 ).I agree with it completely.

I'm a first officer an A320 with previous experience on B727 and B737. I have to agree with previous replies that said that someone with experience only on light aircraft (even with twin engines and IFR-rating) will most probably not be able to HANDfly an airliner to a succesfull landing. (Sorry Greg, sorry Flyingbronco05)

Now let's imagine the following scenario: you suddenly have to take controls of an A320 in flight. (Both pilots had rotten salmon for lunch)

I think:
IF you have plenty of fuel left left in the tanks (time) and...
IF you have a little bit of knowledge about aircraft systems (flightsimmer, PPL)...
IF you know how to use the communication radio and...
IF you could get in contact with a pilot typerated on A320 and...
IF you stay very calm and do exactly what this pilot tells you to do...
Then PERHAPS there's a chance that you might bring this A320 to a fully automated full stop landing of an ILS equipped runway.

But believe me, if this really happened to you one day, I'm sure that you would wish one of the pilots would have had chicken instead of salmon!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards,
Erasmus

 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 11:00 pm

Steak, you fool, not chicken!!  Smile
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Thu Jun 06, 2002 11:26 pm

If the pilots were dead and you had access to the cockpit then first thing what would happend that you would have two F-16 beside you and they would shoot you down in some remote area.
Same thing that happened to United in Pensylvania.

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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Fri Jun 07, 2002 1:35 am

Erasmus:

Nice post. By the way, isn't this why pilots shouldn't be allowed to eat the same thing in the first place? (I think many airlines apply this rule, but I'm not sure of it)

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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Fri Jun 07, 2002 3:38 am

Wilcharl

Don't treat my like I am some sort of idiot. I don't want to sound arrogant, but I have had many flights of myself in cessnas, and went on several B737 Jumpseat rides. Why do you take it for granted I am some teenager who has seen 2 a/c in his life and has no idea how one works? I know all the basics of flight, ATC, a/c works. I could start up an engine just the way it's supposed to happen...


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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Fri Jun 07, 2002 3:55 am

There is a practical way for this situation.. - a real flight simulator.

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Fri Jun 07, 2002 4:21 am

This already becomes the reality as the pilots onboard China Airlines CI611 died first before the aircraft breaks apart and crashed.
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Fri Jun 07, 2002 4:24 am

Lindy- are you saying that you think the UAL 757 that crashed in Shanksville, PA was shot down? If so, why do you believe that?
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Fri Jun 07, 2002 5:02 am

As a passenger, having to take over the aircraft this is what I would do.
The very same moment I saw those F-16's I would disengage the autopilot,
force that old 747-200 into an Immelman turn and with those air force guys
wondering what happened, go for the nearest regional airfield.
Ignoring all warnings on the radio that what I'm aiming at is impossible I
would ease my baby down on that 2000 ft runway, putting on reverse
thrust 50 ft above the ground, and come to a halt with burning tires 2 ft
before the end of the runway.
When the lovely lady from row 10 thanks me I would only say,
"A man's got to do what a man's got to do".



 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Fri Jun 07, 2002 8:51 am

I think it does depend on the weather conditions (probably one of the most significant factors towards a sucessful arrival in this case). Lots of crosswind, etc, it's going to be tough.

I think people with light aircraft, or even flight sim experience could be able to land a jetliner. However, in my experience, flight sim skills vary a lot - especially in the realism with which people fly aircraft - you only have to read a lot of reviews to tell that some have little idea.

What will get people is how different the aircraft feel in real life. Your joystick (or even worse, keyboard) responds quite differently to a real life aircraft. For instance, if you fly the A320, you'll be surprised how sensitive the stick is - use your typical FS inputs, and you'll really shock everyone. Joke flying, won't work here.

I've flown an A320, 733, 762 simulator sucessfully, with only my C152 & flight sim experience.

Of course, ideally, this wouldn't need to happen in real life. Skilled or not, you're probably not going to beat a real life airline pilot when push comes to shove.

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Fri Jun 07, 2002 11:47 am

Can you say ILS?!!!! Hit a few buttons, turn a few dials, and you're set.

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Janne

Fri Jun 07, 2002 1:14 pm

putting on reverse thrust 50 ft above the ground......... GOD HELP US
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Fri Jun 07, 2002 1:24 pm

Anyone read any of John J. Nance's books?? I'd recommend them if you are "In to" this kind of stuff

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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Fri Jun 07, 2002 5:53 pm

I allways wished I could be like that guy in the movie Airplane. Nobody dies and I get to fly.
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Sat Jun 08, 2002 9:06 am

Wietse,

sorry for being a bit hars and good luck with KLM
 
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Sat Jun 08, 2002 6:45 pm

Sorry, I jumped you, I can understand why you think A lot of people with only fs and spotting experience are overestimating themselves.

thanks,

Wietse
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RE: Both Pilots Dead, You Have To Land The Airplane!

Sun Jun 09, 2002 1:42 pm

Okay here it is my confession... I remember I ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THIS!!! had dreams of being the hero and everything... Thats why i was so defensive hiding my own little secret...but after 5 years @ Embry Riddle, I dont think I would be in a position to single handidley land a large airliner... (id leave the gear up or something)

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