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TWA Livery No More

Sat Jun 08, 2002 6:54 am

Greetings:

According to AMR's website the last TWA plane to wear the TWA livery is nolonger. Ship # 4WS left STL on June 6 to Kansas City where it will be repainted in the Silver Bird livery. This plane also carriers the Wings of Pride livery. It's going to be wied the next time I fly through STL and only see AA.

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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sat Jun 08, 2002 7:06 am

I think there is still on more 717 in full TWA colors left. I saw it at STL yesterday.
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sat Jun 08, 2002 7:07 am

You have been highly misinformed... there are still may "TWA" planes left. I am from STL, and knw firsthand there are still alot left...
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sat Jun 08, 2002 8:09 am

here is the article Tbird is referring to :

FOR RELEASE: June 6, 2002
LAST AIRCRAFT IN TWA LIVERY VISITS ST. LOUIS

St. Louis - The last aircraft in the traditional TWA livery, No. 4WS, will visit St. Louis today, as it flies its last revenue flight before going to the American Airlines Kansas City Maintenance Base to be transformed into the American Airlines Silver Bird livery. The plane will arrive at St. Louis Lambert International Airport at 9:14 a.m., as Flight #2924, and depart at 10:03 a.m. as Flight #3046. The plane will arrive at St. Louis again in the afternoon, at 1:34 p.m. as Flight #2669, and depart at 2:16 p.m. as Flight #3133.

"Workers at the Kansas City Base are about to pull off a phenomenal feat, something never done before in the history of aviation," said David Campbell, vice president of the Kansas City Base. "By the end of next week they will have stripped, polished, and painted 130 airplanes in just nine months. That’s the biggest livery project ever attempted by an airline or vendor to our knowledge."

American Airlines acquired TWA in April of 2001. Since then the employees of the two airlines have contributed to the largest and most successful airline merger in the history of aviation.

"I can’t say enough about the Kansas City Maintenance workers who pulled this off in record time," Campbell continued. "On behalf of the company I wish to express our thanks and congratulations on a job well done!"

Aircraft No. 4WS, a Super 80, is also special for another reason. In 1994, it was TWA pilot Mike McDonald’s idea to have the employees of TWA lease an aircraft through payroll deductions to demonstrate pride in the company.

The aircraft was dubbed the Wings of Pride, and it entered TWA service on Sept. 16, 1994. The plane originally sported an all-red-with-white-trim livery, the reverse of

the TWA livery at that time. In 1997, the Wings of Pride got an updated look along with the rest of the TWA fleet, taking on the new red, blue, white and gold TWA livery with decals on the nose and the fuselage denoting its special status.

The Wings of Pride will roll into the Kansas City Base hangar on June 6, and leave about a week later in American Airlines livery. Nine 767s purchased by American during the TWA acquisition will not be re-branded because they will be retired next year.
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:20 am

With the retirement of the TWA 763's will they continue the STL-Hawaii services and STL-LGW?
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sat Jun 08, 2002 11:40 am

Is the article refering to the "classic" livery pictured below rather than to the more recent TWA livery?

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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sat Jun 08, 2002 12:13 pm

Since the aircraft they are refering to had been repainted into what became TWA's final paint scheme (and something that is IMO infinatly better than the 1970s vintage AA scheme) I believe that the article is refering to planes in TWA livery in general. However, as I still see 767s and 717s in TWA colors when I go to work near KSTL, what I believe they ment was that the last TWA plane that they plan on keeping beyond next year will be repainted into AA colors.

And as soon as the last couple of ERJ-145s in TWE colors are replaced with Amnerican Connection ERJ-140s, that will be the end of the TWE scheme as well.


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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sat Jun 08, 2002 1:00 pm

I was just in STL today and saw two 717's in full TWA colors and the previoulsy mentioned 767's. I saw "Wings of Pride" two times this week landing at STL. In fact, I saw it this past Thursday.
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sat Jun 08, 2002 3:11 pm

Ya'll are smokin...TWA MD80's come here to SJC almost daily, including yesterday morning.... hmmm?

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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sun Jun 09, 2002 8:50 am

From the article posted N80NA: "By the end of next week they will have stripped, polished, and painted 130 airplanes in just nine months. That’s the biggest livery project ever attempted by an airline or vendor to our knowledge."

Does anyone have the figures for the total number of aircraft operated by TWA at the time of their acquisition? Perhaps I should ask if anyone knows the breakdown by aircraft type of the TWA aircraft repainted?
Thanks for your help.
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sun Jun 09, 2002 12:40 pm

I think I saw an MD80 on approach to IND tonight in the final TWA scheme.TC
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Sun Jun 09, 2002 1:20 pm

This is a bunch of Hogwash. I still see AA planes in TWA livery fly overhead including today. I look through my telescope and see planes headed to STL all of the time.
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:10 am

The 130 aircraft referred to probably are the:
MD80/83 fleet (103 aircraft)
757 fleet (27 aircraft) = 130 aircraft.

According to Bill Harms [Commercial Jet Aircraft Census] there are
6 717s still in the fleet [all in new TWA livery]
9 767-300's [8 in new TWA livery and 1 in old red & white stripe livery]

So that makes 14 mainline jets in new livery and one in old livery [and a few TWE RJ aircraft].

I guess from today 7/8 June, if anyone spots an MD80 or 757 in new TWA livery, that will contradict the press release.
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:15 am

AA is not keeping the 717. They are selling them. That is why they were not counted by AA.
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:17 pm

here is the deal...AA has repainted all of the planes that THEY ARE GOING TO RETAIN in their colors...this EXCLUDEs the 767-300ER, and 717-200 series. These planes are not goignt o be carried over to American airlines. the 717's are becoming few and far between and are scheduled to be gone by months end. the 767's are goign to be sold and AA witll replace the ex-TWA 767's with NEW GE engined 767-300ER's hope this helps.
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Tue Jun 11, 2002 2:26 am

Are there any aircraft that AA is planning on keeping still with TWA/AA in the TWA transitional livery?

A bit of topic, but amazingly Air Canada still has a few 737s in the Canadian transitional livery.
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Tue Jun 11, 2002 4:41 am

Sad to see the old TWA birds go. I know I'm too young to really be too nostalgic about our old hometown airline (I live in a suburb of Kansas City), but it will be sad to never see a TWA plane again once they're all gone. But I will enjoy the larger number of AA planes coming through, I love AA's livery and logo. It'll be neat to see the logo on the overhaul hangars on the way into the terminal complex.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Does anyone know what types of aircraft AA plans on overhauling at the MCI facility?
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Tue Jun 11, 2002 5:56 am

Where will those TW 767s end up? Is there a buyer, or will they be parked?
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:03 am

All 757's and MD-80's will be in full AA scheme now.
The 717's are not being repainted and will be pulled from service on June 14th.
The 767-300's are not being repainted either. This aircraft will be in service for about another year. AA has 9 767-300's with GE engines on order that will be delivered starting in May 2003. These aircraft will replace the TWA 763's. STL-HNL, STL-OGG, & STL-LGW service will be retained, at least for now, as will 767 service from STL.
Thus, after next week, the only aircraft still wearing TWA colors will be the 763's, and that will be for another year. So, go to STL, LAX, MCO, SFO, HNL, LGW, or OGG to see TWA colors.

As for maintenance.....
AA opened a 767-200 mx base at MCI back in March, these aircraft were previously serviced at AFW.
This summer AA is opening up a 737-800 mx base and CFM-56 engine shop for the 737's at MCI.
Former TWA MD-80's mx will remain there.
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:11 am


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Wings of Pride aircraft, old version, and new with decal...
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Tue Jun 11, 2002 10:05 am

On that day, I saw that exact aircraft taxi behind my UAL Express Canadair RJ at O'hare.

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RE: TWA Livery No More

Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:56 pm

I'm surprised no one produced a model of this aircraft (Wings of Pride). I'm sure it would make a highly collectable piece. Not a bad looking one, too.

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RE: TWA Livery No More

Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:17 pm

Herpa sold a n/c "Wings of Pride MD-83 in 1:500 last year.
Schabak still offers a WoP MD-83 in the old colors in 1:600.
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Wed Jun 12, 2002 3:24 am

To call the repaint program a feat is not exactly the right term. It would have been a feat if they had to strip the planes, and then paint them in another color. Other then the tail, nose cone, and engine nacelles, the transition from the TWA livery to the AA livery was not really a major undertaking.
 
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Wed Jun 12, 2002 12:07 pm

If all TWA planes are now in AA colors... then why did I see 2 TWA 767's in TWA colors land at LAX today?
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RE: TWA Livery No More

Thu Jun 13, 2002 10:27 am

FOR RELEASE: Wednesday, June 12, 2002
AMERICAN AIRLINES WORKERS MAKE AVIATION HISTORY AS THEY FINISH TWA LIVERY PROJECT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE

ST. LOUIS - Workers at the American Airlines Kansas City Maintenance Base have won a spot in aviation history today as they completed re-branding a record of 130 TWA airplanes in just nine months. The re-branding project began last September, just months after American Airlines acquired TWA in April of 2001, and just days after the same group of workers finished adding inches to the legroom in the coach section of the majority of the TWA fleet to match American Airlines' More Room Throughout Coach product.

The entire former TWA MD-80 and 757 fleets now sport the American Airlines "Silver Bird" livery, after Kansas City workers stripped, polished, and painted them. The Silver Bird livery consists of red, white, and blue striping on brilliant polished aluminum, with the American Airlines logo on the tail and the company’s name on the fuselage. The former TWA 767s will not be re-branded, as they will be retired next year.

"Completion of this project is a monumental step in finishing the integration of TWA into American Airlines," said Don Carty, CEO and Chairman of American Airlines. "It's fitting that the smoothest and largest airline integration should also make aviation history as the fastest re-branding project ever completed. My congratulations and thanks go out to the Kansas City workers."

"We know of no other airline or vendor that has re-branded 130 planes in just nine months," said David Campbell, Vice President of the Kansas City Base. "We believe that is because no other airline or vendor has employees with the skills and determination shown by American Airlines employees. This project is just one example of the American Airlines spirit that does not waver when facing a challenge." Approximately 250 American Airlines employees worked on six paint lines to finish the project. It t ook about a week to re-brand each aircraft. Those employees will now be transitioned to other projects, including a new 737-800 MBV (main base visit) line that will open in July. American Airlines also recently opened a 767-300 MBV line at the Kansas City Base.

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