CMK10
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AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 7:59 am

I am getting realyl sick of this bashing AA crap. They've taken 3 slaps to the face in the last callender year and im really impressed that their still in the air.
No other airline has had 2 planes used as weapons, a major plane crash and an second attemped terrorist attack in the same year! All i hear now is AA is crap, AA doesn't serve food, blah blah blah. AA has good service with MRTC and they are coming back with the food. IF you don't want to fly them fine, thats your buisness, stop making us all hear this stuff about their "dirty tricks"
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 8:01 am

Atrocious spelling, use the spellchecker!!

Anyway, i haven't heard all this AA bashing as you're putting it, where are they?

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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 9:29 am

Uh, I have heard barely any AA bashing.
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 12:40 pm

Although I am a Delta f/f because of there service out of FLL,I have flown AA many times and will do so in the future. I think America needs a strong AA and United airlines! I have found nothing bad about AA,Delta or United! I have seen the same bashing as you about American carriers and how great European carriers are and believe me the worst flights I have ever been on were Iberia and AF! Be proud of American Airlines they are one of the best!
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 12:49 pm

Trans-pacifically speaking, compared to JAL, American has a lot of room for improvement(ALORFI). Their SJC international operation is a joke as they dump their arriving Narita pax on the curb, only to scramble through all the Southwest pax at the curb and security checkpoints. American Airlines, once something special in the air, has lost their edge in being a fine carrier. I would like to see them, once again, be one of world's finest carriers. They need to commit themselves to be as good or better than carriers such as BA and JAL.
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 2:05 pm

american sucks,is that what you want?i realy dont hear to much aa bashing.
most of it is NW and they took there crap,AA will get theirs and UA will be next week.you cant please everyone.people arent going to like your airline,chill out. if people dont like AA deal with it.i think they suck,that is a PRE 9/11 opinion.





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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 2:19 pm

I used to hate AA... I'm from STL, and it really pissed me off when they took over TWA. About 3 months ago I was flying NWA (Auuugh) from STL-MEM-DFW. They put my conections to close together (25 min,-10min for gate closure=15min to get from point A to point B) Anyway, NWA told me to go to the wrong gate.. SO I was F*&$^#d! Any way, I went up to the AA counter, and they very generously put me on their plane. So I have no problem with AA. But my question is, where are you finding these AA bashing things? It apears to me as though you are TRYING to start something...but that is just my opinion :P
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 2:25 pm

Well just so you know my girlfriend(who is Japanese) loves AA, and it is her favourite airline (for trans-pacific) and she is actually leaving tomorrow  Sad, YUL-ORD-NRT. MD-80(yul-ord) and 777 from ord-nrt.

I have been on AA and being a tall guy I love the extra leg room...So I would have to say it is my favourite airline because I can be comfortable, just the POV of my Japanese girlfriend and me!!

maybe I will try to get her to write a trip report after!!!
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 2:34 pm

Every U.S. airline gets bashed on this website. I think that Northwest gets bashed more than any other airline. About the only U.S. airline I hardly see bashed is Alaska, but they all get it. People have the right to their own opinions.
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 2:37 pm

I'd rather see people bashing an airline than someone crying about criticism.

All i hear now is AA is crap, AA doesn't serve food, blah blah blah

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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 2:39 pm

This post here has quite a lot of what i was talking about. Actully, i read this, then went to post this responce on that post and decided aw hell ill just make my own, guess you guys didnt' like it.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/842271/
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 8:44 pm

I love AA overall. For me it's still the best US airline together with Continental Airlines. It's stupid to say that AA is a cheap airline. They have a big network and their service is still good. I'm from Switzerland and for me is AA just the perfect choice to fly to the US and I'm very proud that they are working together with Swiss. So two great airlines are working togehter, that's always cool. I will fly AA later on this year to the USA and I will support them always.
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 11:31 pm

No other airline can sustain what AA has in the past 5 years and still be viable. People seem to forget AA has been making $$$$$$$ for more than 75 yrs. Trust me they have very DEEP pockets.

Wish Crandall was back with us though!!!
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 11:37 pm

I think CMK10 is trying to tell us that we shouldn't express our opinions about airlines... otherwise someone might get offended. But really I don't like AA. Compared to DL and UA (for me at least) i would say they are on a lower level. Especialy with those Fokker 100s. The plane might be a nice plane, but the shape that AA keeps them in... well lets not go there. But then again i couldn't say more about some of Delta's 767s.



United is still best though (sorry i didn't mean to offend anyone. i just like UA more than AA)

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RE: AA Bashing

Sun Jun 09, 2002 11:52 pm

CMK10, you think FOOD is the root of it? HAH! Here's AA-bashing, fully justified:

They are a predatory airline, hell-bent on destroying other carriers. Two cases in point.

1. They will defend to the death the Wright Amendment, which prevents long-legged nonstops (or even same-plane direct service) out of Dallas' Love Field...which just HAPPENS to be Southwest's home base. How do they accomplish this? Politics. Their huge maintenance base at Alliance, Ft. Worth is keeping politicians at bay, thanks to the jobs and tax revenues it creates. In return, those politicians in the area (and in Washington) will defend this stupidly arcane amendment so that AA's fortress at DFW can be 'protected' at the expense of Southwest's operation at DAL.

2. You think that AA 'just got religion' and 'discovered' that Long Beach was a great place to fly to? HAH! They paid NO attention to that strip alongside 405 until someone ELSE did...namely JetBlue.

AA's 'food' may be marvelous; their predatory practices are not. I wish nothing but ill-will to a carrier with strategies and tactics like that...and I don't give a HOOT that two of their planes were among the four on 9/11. That fact has NOTHING to do with how AA runs its airline.

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:00 am

Actually ChrisNH- AA had Long Beach to DFW service before JetBlue even existed as an airline. But we can acuse all airlines of some good competition. Say United's new IAD-OAK, or AA's JFK-OAK... But that's alright because they are not getting politics into it. Wait no... wasn't AA making a big political thing from JetBlue having most of the slots in LGB... AA just can't handle competition, like some other airlines take it... compete in good ways.

So looks like there's actually something behind disliking AA...

PS a lot of people hate them for taking over TWA.

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:23 am

I for one love AA along with a lot of people here, but this is a public board and people can express their opinions. I for one don't care for flying Delta, but a lot of other people like Delta. We all have our favorite and our least favorite airlines and we just have to deal with it and not let it get personal. I like AA because:
-major hub where I live
-good service
-big route network
-Oneworld
-good partners
-Admirals club

I for one wasn't exactly thrilled when TWA was bought by American, but we must face it: Had AA not been there, many jobs would have been lost, Lambert would have practically been abandoned, and one of the world's great airlines would have been lost in the dust. Yes, Continental wanted TWA, but it only wanted certain parts whereas American wanted the whole airline.

One thing must be faced though: American has been around for 75 years, so they must be doing something right.


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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:36 am

AA Sucks, and I'll tell you why... They moved out of Dallas Love Field to go to DFW in the 1970s... They tried to make Southwest leave and go to DFW too, but WN refused. Finally when Legend came into town. AA tried to prevent them from starting service using their friggin WRIGHT AMENDMENT. When that didn't work, they stripped some of their Fukkers, and went head up PREDATOR. They stayed their until Legend went under. Then they used 9/11 as an excuse. Now, they are repeating this whole thing again with jetBlue. But luckily jetBlue realizes what they are doing, and they are going around AA with their own DIRTY TRICKS... GO JETBLUE
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:57 am


I have no problem with AA's service. But I agree with ChrisNH, they are extremly preditory, especially in DFW, they started service into DAL, put poor Legend Airlines out of buisness, and moved right back out!

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:15 am

Greetings:

Each airline on this forum has taken an equal amount of bashing. Everybody has their own opinion about an airline. Personally I love AA, you can't beat MRTC. AA Flies where I want to go and their fares are in line with everybody else. Yes Southwest and Jet Blue in NY might be cheaper but Southwest is like riding a bus and I don't like flying narrow bodies across country. I'm sorry but the A320 is just to small and to uncomfortable for transcon ops. AA is a fine carrier with the best people in the business.

Thanx
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 3:23 am

Nahhhh....

No reason to have some animosity. After all, business is business.

But does any other airline have a laundry list this long?


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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:15 am

No offense, but I am constantly amazed that people think that TWA would still exist if it weren't for American. They were headed toward liquidation.

American did TWA employees a huge service by acquiring their failed operation.

Although it is sad to see TWA pass, at least most the organization will survive.
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 6:52 am

Thank you Greg! Finally somebody realizes my point!

Regarding DAL, you can't say that there was no pressure on AA to move. Something tells me that there was certainly pressure to sign that agreement saying they would move their ops to DFW. If they were still at DAL, there would be no way possible for them to have the ops at DAL that they do at DFW. Also, had Southwest been around when the airlines moved to DFW, I am sure they would have at least been pressured to sign it.

What most people don't seem to realize though, is that the DFW market is very hard to compete in as it is. You have Southwest and American based in the area and with the two of them being there, Legend was going to fade eventually. Specifically in the DFW market, American has played by the rules. They moved to DFW with the rest of the airlines and made no attempt to start service at DAL unless there was an existing carrier/rule there. Regarding Legend, you don't go into two of the world's largest airlines' home market and expect to win, because you aren't.

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 10:11 am

I agree. AA is my favorite also. I dont say that b/c AA is part of the family. (I have an uncle who works for them. I have flown them 20+ times and every flight has been excellent. AA is doing a lot right and i enjoy flying them and I hope to work for them (pilot) somtime down the road.

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:01 am

There's one thing that's better than MRTC: Economy Plus :P

And free audio, free movies, 747s on domestic flights......

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:10 am

I think AA is a great airline and it is good for pax with it's alliances. My only complaint was that they lowered service after 9/11 to save $$ and have not set a concrete date to resume it. I love AA and I normally only fly AA, which is why I want the food back.
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:39 am

I have but two complaints against AA. Firstly their takeover, and subsequent abandonment of two west coast carriers (AirCal and Reno Air). Secondly the fact that if I choose to fly them out of TUS, I'm stuck on a DC-9. I really hate DC-9s.
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:44 am

AA does not fly DC-9s and MD-80s are NOT DC-9's.
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:49 am

Another one. AA has DC-9-82 and DC-9-83s. Call them by the marketing name if you will, they are still DC-9s.
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:54 am

When I flew AA from JFK to Vancouver in 1997, I discovered that AA inflight service was really lousy! Flight attendants were very rude which made me feel bad and uncomfortable. The worst things I've ever seen is that RENTING the HEADSETS. It costs US$5 for the international flight???? WHY? Canada and US are international NOT domestic! How can I hear the movie????
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:27 pm

I would have to agree with the Wright Amendment. It keeps all the traffic at one location. (well most of it). Unlike Houston with IAH and HOU. Its a pain to drive all the way to IAH to go to a place like Denver and when I can go to HOU and fly nonstop to New York. The amendments lets DFW do what it was designed to do: expand easily. And it seems to be working, two new terminals, new train system, new runway...Oh, and I hope to maybe fly for American and/or Southwest one day. They're the best.

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flyboy36y
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:30 pm

I don't understand about the headsets. What are you trying to say?

An MD80 is MUCH larger and more comfortable than a DC9 with better avionics.
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:47 pm

The MD-80 is most CERTAINLY a Dc-9. DC-9-81, -82, -83, -87, -88, - 95... with the latter being renamed the B717.

some of ya people need to back off the caffeine intake!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

MD-80 is just the common marketing name... it's been a few since then.. DC-9 Super 80, etc...

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:53 pm

No one should bash anything. AA is a good airline, because for one, they are successful and large. If AA "sucked" then they wouldn't be around. And who cares if you had one bad experience, doesn't mean that you'll be having them all the time. Who cares if the service on any airline is crappy, for crying out load, can't you sit down for a few friggen' hours without having to hollar and complain like King Tut? Come on people come to your senses, AA is a good airline. Also, hasn't NWA come to your minds? They slaughtered Sun Country, and blocked several other airlines from even thinking of coming to MSP!! Chill out!

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AeroGlobeAir7
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 1:23 pm

Do we need to stop bashing airlines that we don't like and allow you and others continue to bash on ours? I personally don't like AA a bundle, but I am starting to gain more interest in them since they will be a major player here at MCI (KAnsas City) because of the TWA acquisition. I will Always love Delta, Southwest, Vanguard and USAirways more though! (nostalgic reasons for Delta in addition to the fact their based in Atlanta, where I was born, USAirways for nostalgic reasons, Southwest just because they're Southwest, and Vanguard because they're my hometown airline). We're entitled to an opinion, if you don't agree with it, say somethin in defense, otherwise that's too bad. You like AA, I like DL, big deal. "Can't we all just get along?!"  Laugh out loud

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 1:36 pm

I wish I could remember the name of the dude on here who never showed up except to defend AA. You know, the guy who was always calling CO a "niche" carrier. Damn, what was his name?

Anyway, I'd tend to agree with the majority on here-all the carriers get bashed from time to time-some of it is definitely legitimate, some of it is sour grapes, and some of it is pretty comical. Either way, isn't that one reason we're on this forum-to give our opinions, good or bad, on differing subjects?
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 1:40 pm

I have never flown AA, so I have no opinion except that the whole thing w/ Legend at DAL had me irked, but then again, other airlines have done similar things. Now when it comes to the airline "business", its really pick your poison.
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 4:02 pm

I think AA is a great carrier, they have the best schedules and prices here in the bay area (compared to United) and I have had all good flights with them.

They are my favorite carrier currently (just like Continental was previously) because there is just something about American Airlines that is special (maybe its their commercials).

 
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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 6:05 pm

I haven't seen that many posts criticising AA, but the airline that's received a large amount of criticism here is Northwest Airlines, in all aspects of its business but namely: in-flight service & entertainment, food onboard, their current fleet & future aircraft orders and punctuality. I've never flown NW so I can’t say what they’re like but I love their colour scheme and think it looks really good on the 747s. Same with AA, I've never flown them so I can't comment, but I’ve heard that they’ve improved their service over the last few years.

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 6:21 pm

Arsenal@LHR, I think you get the prize for making me laugh my head off.
Atrocious spelling, use the spellchecker!!

I had noticed the typos, but wasn't going to say anything. Then I saw your post. Could just be that I'm tired but refusing to go to bed, and therefore everything seems funny right now, but you should know your vibrant use of our English language was good for a few laughs.

Atrocious; great choice of words.  Smile I can't even remember the last time I heard that word used.

CMK10, I have nothing bad to say about AA other than UA is better....at least en mon avis.  Big grin

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RE: AA Bashing

Mon Jun 10, 2002 8:14 pm

I tend to agree with Silver_wings767 as I also did several long-haul flight to NRT with AA and each time their 777 always made me feel good...

Ok I cannot say that I love when each time My connection between YUL and either ORD or DFW was either delay or cancelled... but for long haul flights
AA and their 777 especially to japan is very confortable, nice and enjoyable, now I will certainly not begin talking about their domestics flights ...
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Wed Jun 12, 2002 2:06 am

In general, AA is considered to be a very arrogant but professional company. Yes, they are extremely predatory and, one can even say, 'mean' but that's how they managed to survive and prosper, especially under Crandall.

In terms of service, they're pretty much the same as other U.S. carriers in that they are all inconsistent...sometimes you get great flights and sometimes you get lousy ones...sometimes you get nasty and arrogant crews and sometimes you get some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. But in general, within the industry, AA is definitely viewed as an extremely aggressive and arrogant player compared to the "nice/genteel" Delta or the big bumbling UAL...
 
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RE: AA Bashing

Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:36 am

Have to get involved in this discussion, because I can't let these 2 comments pass.

"MD-80 is just the common marketing name"

"Another one. AA has DC-9-82 and DC-9-83s. Call them by the marketing name if you will, they are still DC-9s. "

There is a reason why the DC-9-80/1/2/etc. became MDs. Probably the same reason why the DC-3/4/6/7/8/9s were know as DC and not MD; but a marketing name? C'mon guys..... bit of History 101 won't hurt anyone:

"As 1966 drew to a close, the Douglas Aircraft Company had many orders to fill, and it was the largest aircraft industry employer in California. At the same time, McDonnell was the largest employer in Missouri and was firmly established as an aircraft production giant.

However, startup and production costs for the DC-8 and DC-9 were straining the Douglas Aircraft Company resources. Moreover, for some time McDonnell had wanted to build commercial transports and had talked about merging with Douglas as early as 1963. He was in the best position to submit the winning offer when, in December 1966, the Douglas board of directors sent out bid invitations for possible merger prospects.

The merger of the two companies was official on April 28, 1967. James Smith McDonnell, then 68, was chairman of the board of directors and CEO of the new McDonnell Douglas Corporation. Donald Douglas Sr., 75, was honorary chairman of the merged corporation. Donald Douglas Jr., 46, continued as president of the Douglas component.

On Aug. 29, 1970, the DC-10, the last of the Douglas transports, made its first flight. By then the two powerful airplane concerns had merged, so all subsequent models had the "MD" designation. On Oct. 18, 1979, the DC-9-80 "Super 80" made its first flight. With new wings, new engines and a longer fuselage than the other DC-9s, it was redesignated MD-80 and became the cornerstone for a new series of jetliner models."

Wanna know more: http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/history/mdc/

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RE: AA Bashing

Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:43 am

For gods sake!!! this is getting a joke, what is the problem? EVERY airline is hated by someone for something, you've just got to step back and take it that someone doesn't like your favourite airline for whatever reason. Jeez, whats the point? This is really sad...

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